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11 minutes ago, markyh said:

Sorry but 90% people at foodbanks are feckless.  If we had a Digital blockchain £ already and the foodbank could do an assessment if the person is illegible to use the food bank via blockchain analysis, it would go like this . 

1) Spent money of fags not food, ****** off

2) Spent money on booze not food, ****** off

3) Spent money of drugs not food, ****** off

4) Spent money on Sky TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple Tv, Disney TV , Playstation online, Xbox live, any other subscription entertainment service, ****** off

5) Spent money on new mobile contract and lots of Data, not food, ****** off

6) Spent money on fashion clothing, not food, ****** off

7) Spent money on fast food / takeaways not basic foods to cook with, ****** off. 

Basically if it could be determined using chain analysis, you lifestyle didnt consist of only, shelter and heating, freeview TV and TV licence, basic internet , and basic mobile, economical food shopping, anything else is feckless to waste instead of feeding yourself, then the foodbank should turn you away for 1 week. 

Once you are really really starving, you wont waste money on stuff you cant afford.  

You don’t find that idea rather dystopian?

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12 minutes ago, markyh said:

Sorry but 90% people at foodbanks are feckless.  If we had a Digital blockchain £ already and the foodbank could do an assessment if the person is illegible to use the food bank via blockchain analysis, it would go like this . 

1) Spent money of fags not food, ****** off

2) Spent money on booze not food, ****** off

3) Spent money of drugs not food, ****** off

4) Spent money on Sky TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple Tv, Disney TV , Playstation online, Xbox live, any other subscription entertainment service, ****** off

5) Spent money on new mobile contract and lots of Data, not food, ****** off

6) Spent money on fashion clothing, not food, ****** off

7) Spent money on fast food / takeaways not basic foods to cook with, ****** off. 

Basically if it could be determined using chain analysis, you lifestyle didnt consist of only, shelter and heating, freeview TV and TV licence, basic internet , and basic mobile, economical food shopping, anything else is feckless to waste instead of feeding yourself, then the foodbank should turn you away for 1 week. 

Once you are really really starving, you wont waste money on stuff you cant afford.  

Step awaaaay from the Daily Mail...

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1 minute ago, yelims said:

You don’t find that idea rather dystopian?

Nope , i welcome it.  Pretty much how my family had to live in the early 70's as a child. Dad was paid in cash, mum had to budget. Cash ran out, no food.  

We always had food, if there was money spare, Dad could have a beer or some fags. 

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2 hours ago, AThirdWay said:

As for your "60%+ of your salary" nonsense, salaries in Scotland are 2nd only to London and the SE.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/416139/full-time-annual-salary-in-the-uk-by-region/

Maybe do just the tiniest bit of research before you post on something you seem to know very little about?

I think the 60% of your salary comment was a prediction about income tax,not a comment on salary differences between England and Scotland.

I already pay £2.5k a year more net in tax than I would if I lived in England. Yet I'm typically getting worse services (particularly in education for my 2 kids which I think is generally accepted).

The SNP have a socialist agenda that's going to require taxes to increase. Today spending in Scotland is 20% higher than it is in England. To fund this Scots receive an additional £2k per head from England a year compared to citizens in England, and higher taxes in Scotland already generate £750Mn a year by charging middle earners and up more than they'd pay if they were in England 

Imho the Scottish finances are pulling apart at the seams as it is, separating from the UK with an aspiration to spend more is going to mean significant tax increases. The taxpayers alliance predicted this would result in tax increases of up to 46%. 

Walking away from the debt isn't going to happen. You'd be looking at sanctions from your biggest trading partner (Ruk) and I don't believe the EU would accept you under those conditions.

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44 minutes ago, AThirdWay said:

So how about this argument... Scotland will take on a percentage share of historical UK debt MINUS any historical surplus Scotland has contributed to the Treasury over the years. Sound fair?

The Tartan Tory entitlement is strong in this one!

Any 'surplus' in your imagination was spent by a UK government in the UK and elected by Scots

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35 minutes ago, markyh said:

Sorry but 90% people at foodbanks are feckless.  If we had a Digital blockchain £ already and the foodbank could do an assessment if the person is illegible to use the food bank via blockchain analysis, it would go like this . 

1) Spent money of fags not food, ****** off

2) Spent money on booze not food, ****** off

3) Spent money of drugs not food, ****** off

4) Spent money on Sky TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple Tv, Disney TV , Playstation online, Xbox live, any other subscription entertainment service, ****** off

5) Spent money on new mobile contract and lots of Data, not food, ****** off

6) Spent money on fashion clothing, not food, ****** off

7) Spent money on fast food / takeaways not basic foods to cook with, ****** off. 

Basically if it could be determined using chain analysis, you lifestyle didnt consist of only, shelter and heating, freeview TV and TV licence, basic internet , and basic mobile, economical food shopping, anything else is feckless to waste instead of feeding yourself, then the foodbank should turn you away for 1 week. 

Once you are really really starving, you wont waste money on stuff you cant afford.  

+1 sounds good 

no messing about. 

i would add one caveat though that a full dexa scan bodyfat % would need to be measured and food weighed and measured out so distributed to those without excess fat reserves already to make it more equal. 

why feed those already carrying energy around already. 

 

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4 hours ago, Trampa501 said:

Be nice to think so, but I fear otherwise.

Perhaps. But purely academic as far as I'm concerned - as you couldn't pay me enough to live there regardless. 😉

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13 minutes ago, longgone said:

+1 sounds good 

no messing about. 

i would add one caveat though that a full dexa scan bodyfat % would need to be measured and food weighed and measured out so distributed to those without excess fat reserves already to make it more equal. 

why feed those already carrying energy around already. 

 

The gammon rebellion 😂

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I don't see prices falling much. There will be a 10 year transition period with sterling used for most of the economy.

Currently we have negative population growth and house building can't keep up with demand. Realistically we will need to increase immigration post Indy so that will add to demand.

Vast majority of migrants between rUK and Scotland are studends so that won't hit housing market too much. Retirees rarely migrate. 

Stamp duty is already high. So all in all I'm not seeing much downward pressure, not in first 10 years anyway. Perhaps the transition to another currency might be testing, but that's so far away, other factors are likely to intervene. 

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2 hours ago, AThirdWay said:

Scotland will take on a percentage share of historical UK debt MINUS any historical surplus Scotland has contributed to the Treasury over the years. Sound fair?

Two minuses make a plus.

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Would prices not fall as Scotland could actually you know control its border from the crazies to the south who wave through trucks potentially containing migrants, actively importing half of Hong Kong (see parallel thread there) and who are allowing hundreds of thousands of Indian and Chinese “students” in

 

#sexit #takebackcontrol 😂

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21 minutes ago, yelims said:

Would prices not fall as Scotland could actually you know control its border from the crazies to the south who wave through trucks potentially containing migrants, actively importing half of Hong Kong (see parallel thread there) and who are allowing hundreds of thousands of Indian and Chinese “students” in

#sexit #takebackcontrol 😂

They've no intention to control their border. 

They've criticised the new post brexit immigration rules as being too strict 

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From https://www.gov.scot/publications/migration-helping-scotland-prosper/pages/6/

The current UK immigration system does not reflect the values and principles that the Scottish Government has identified. The first discussion paper set out five areas where the UK Government should revise its policy:

  • Reintroduce the post-study work visa recommended by the Smith Commission;
  • End the net migration target;
  • End the immigration skills charge;
  • Give the Scottish Government a greater say in the Scotland Shortage Occupation List; and 
  • Extend and protect rights in family migration.

The net migration target ... is practically undeliverable, but if it were achieved would be deeply damaging to all of the UK and to Scotland in particular. 

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Just now, regprentice said:

They've no intention to control their border. 

They've criticised the new post brexit immigration rules as being too strict 

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From https://www.gov.scot/publications/migration-helping-scotland-prosper/pages/6/

The current UK immigration system does not reflect the values and principles that the Scottish Government has identified. The first discussion paper set out five areas where the UK Government should revise its policy:

  • Reintroduce the post-study work visa recommended by the Smith Commission;
  • End the net migration target;
  • End the immigration skills charge;
  • Give the Scottish Government a greater say in the Scotland Shortage Occupation List; and 
  • Extend and protect rights in family migration.

The net migration target ... is practically undeliverable, but if it were achieved would be deeply damaging to all of the UK and to Scotland in particular. 

So they want control of migration to Scotland, so you know Scottish people can decide who and when to allow or not, what’s wrong with that?

 

Brexiteers/Tories can’t have it both ways btw as it would expose a lot of brexit arguments of theirs for ******** it is

 

 

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2 minutes ago, yelims said:

So they want control of migration to Scotland, so you know Scottish people can decide who and when to allow or not, what’s wrong with that?

Brexiteers/Tories can’t have it both ways btw as it would expose a lot of brexit arguments of theirs for ******** it is

The implication in your earlier post was that prices would fall as the scotgov would excersise some control over migration.

It looks to me like they want to turn the taps on full and increase immigration significantly and that's going to put upward pressure on prices. 

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37 minutes ago, yelims said:

Would prices not fall as Scotland could actually you know control its border from the crazies to the south who wave through trucks potentially containing migrants, actively importing half of Hong Kong (see parallel thread there) and who are allowing hundreds of thousands of Indian and Chinese “students” in

 

#sexit #takebackcontrol 😂

Scotland needs immigrants supposedly.  They have no intention of reducing immigration that is for sure.  LIke Ireland, almost everybody emigrates from Scotland.

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4 minutes ago, regprentice said:

The implication in your earlier post was that prices would fall as the scotgov would excersise some control over migration.

It looks to me like they want to turn the taps on full and increase immigration significantly and that's going to put upward pressure on prices. 

By being independent their population can chose whether to turn down or up the migration valve and hence directly impact house prices?

By being independent they could also probably have a referendum like we will have in Ireland on making housing a right for all citizens 

 

they can’t do anything in meantime and remain attached to elites in London 

#takebackcontrol-from-elites

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2 minutes ago, kzb said:

Scotland needs immigrants supposedly.  They have no intention of reducing immigration that is for sure.  LIke Ireland, almost everybody emigrates from Scotland.

Ireland has a higher % of foreign born residents compared to UK, we just ain’t a bunch of racist xenophobes, migration ain’t even an issue here 

 

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2 minutes ago, yelims said:

By being independent their population can chose whether to turn down or up the migration valve and hence directly impact house prices?

By being independent they could also probably have a referendum like we will have in Ireland on making housing a right for all citizens 

 

they can’t do anything in meantime and remain attached to elites in London 

#takebackcontrol-from-elites

When they are in the Schengen Area (condition of joining the EU) they won't have any control.

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1 minute ago, yelims said:

Ireland has a higher % of foreign born residents compared to UK, we just ain’t a bunch of racist xenophobes, migration ain’t even an issue here 

 

That's because all the natives have left.  Most of them are over here near me.

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25 minutes ago, yelims said:

Ireland has a higher % of foreign born residents compared to UK, we just ain’t a bunch of racist xenophobes, migration ain’t even an issue here 

Are you implying the British are? As a brown immigrant I can tell you its not true. Numerous academic studies prove it.

Immigration is something of an issue because 1) the "small overcrowded island" myth, and 2) unskilled immigrants driving down wages. 2) is why its a class issue: the affluent want cheap eastern European cleaners and the like, the poor would rather do their jobs (but would want to be paid more for it).

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9 minutes ago, gp_ said:

Are you implying the British are? As a brown immigrant I can tell you its not true. Numerous academic studies prove it.

Immigration is something of an issue because 1) the "small overcrowded island" myth, and 2) unskilled immigrants driving down wages. 2) is why its a class issue: the affluent want cheap eastern European cleaners and the like, the poor would rather do their jobs (but would want to be paid more for it).

Have you been over on the Brexit thread?

once again Brexiteers can’t have it both ways either their arguments are a load of crap or they better ask themselves why they not applying their own logic to Scotland wanting to exit the abusive relationship 

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I’d love independence but unfortunately many of our fellow Scots are too stupid and brainwashed to vote for it.

I see Gove was straight up to Scotland this weekend after the SNPs landslide election win. In a parliament where it’s almost mathematically impossible to gain a majority, the mainstream media frame it as failure when the SNP defy all odds by getting tantalising close to one.

They gained 3 more constituency seats meaning of the ‘first past the post’ proportion they won 62/73 seats. In the regional vote for the remaining 56 seats, 1,000,000 SNP votes returned just TWO seats whereas the Tories disasterous haul of 550,000 votes returns 26 seats.

Scotland would be a great place if we didn’t subsidise the royal family, vanity projects in the south, Boris’ flat, Olympic Games and trident. 

It’s only a matter of time until we become independent and in the years that follow kids in school will discuss the mystery of why it took so long. 
 

Answer: Decades of lies and propaganda about how wealthy and prosperous our country actually was. 

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