If a man can't compliment a woman, the human race is in deep trouble

[sta100]

34 minutes ago, scottbeard said:

Exactly.  The OP's comment that the human race is in "deep trouble" because a pervy guy got told off is ridiculous.

No

The fact he got told off in front of millions of people is the reason we're in deep trouble

[Staffsknot]

34 minutes ago, winkie said:

 

Nice correction - agree with you both. He was an utter muppet.

[Staffsknot]

16 hours ago, dances with sheeple said:

You totally miss the point, why are men feeling the need to "compliment" women, the guy telling her that her husband was "lucky" is just submissive behaviour that annoys her at a deep primal level (her husband was probably a doormat too?) She expressed the anger this time by abusing her little bit of power over him and talking like an annoyed schoolgirl. It doesn`t matter what you think Fleming was like, the character he created as portrayed on the screen (especially by Connery) is displaying behaviour that is very attractive to women, and the other two would never tell a woman that they liked her directly, they would imply that she was lucky to be talking to them! Whether you like it or not, and whether modern culture likes it or not women respond to certain male traits, and giving "compliments" that make the guy look weaker than her and in awe of her isn`t one of them!

Wow that reads like the plotline of a Two Ronnies the Worm That Turned sketch. Subserviance - wow the fact many of my ex squaddies still did their own ironing must blow your mind.

You know most of Errol Flyn's female co-stars couldn't stand him. The starstruck conquests of his legend were exactly that - in love with the film star persona not the actual man.

Oh and Bond gets married, offers to give everything up and settle down with Theresa Bond, a feisty woman who gives him a hard time and he compliments, so the only reason your hero isn't selling the DB5 for a family car is Bloefeld slots her as they leave the wedding... as depicted on screen.

I'm guessing you are in the 60+ age group based on these views. 

 

[GregBowman]

On 24/04/2021 at 19:34, steve99 said:

She will. Pretty wimin do progress in careers based on their looks,  even if not deliberately. A fat ugly woman would have to be just as or more intellegent and qualified and work 2x as smart and perhaps put in more hours to get the promotions or pay rises. Its just a fact.  I have witnessed this dozens of times in all sorts of jobs.

Everyone can look professional enough to win that race - its not about being photogenic male or female.

Its dress, fitness (as in keep your weight to height ratio in check ) and a reasonably high EQ. 

The fact is some people want it more without putting in stupid hours.

Taller  men (6ft plus)  have  a better chance of being at board level fact. So if your a middling 5'10'' what do you do ?

Wear better suits, be better at everything from presentations to golf, drive the better car 

Ultimately its perception change it.

 

 

[sta100]

On 4/24/2021 at 7:34 PM, steve99 said:

She will. Pretty wimin do progress in careers based on their looks,  even if not deliberately. A fat ugly woman would have to be just as or more intellegent and qualified and work 2x as smart and perhaps put in more hours to get the promotions or pay rises. Its just a fact.  I have witnessed this dozens of times in all sorts of jobs.

This is such bull

The amount of times i've heard this work 2x as hard thing trotted out for different types of people is laughable.

People do have advantages and disadvantages, but they are not as great as the perception of them is.

[dances with sheeple]

3 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

Wow that reads like the plotline of a Two Ronnies the Worm That Turned sketch. Subserviance - wow the fact many of my ex squaddies still did their own ironing must blow your mind.

You know most of Errol Flyn's female co-stars couldn't stand him. The starstruck conquests of his legend were exactly that - in love with the film star persona not the actual man.

Oh and Bond gets married, offers to give everything up and settle down with Theresa Bond, a feisty woman who gives him a hard time and he compliments, so the only reason your hero isn't selling the DB5 for a family car is Bloefeld slots her as they leave the wedding... as depicted on screen.

I'm guessing you are in the 60+ age group based on these views. 

 

Women being attracted to "dominant" male traits is different to a woman being "subservient" to a man and doing his ironing. These attraction mechanisms developed millions of years ago B.R (Before Ronnies)

As the old adage goes - If a woman says she likes you, she Loves you, if she says she hates you, she Loves you even more! What his co-stars said and what they actually did or felt are two different things, I bet a good number of them slept with him, but if they are high profile, married and asked about him in a celebrity mag they are probably not going to say they sh*agged him are they, especially in the 1940`s and 50`s!? A woman can dislike a man and still find his masculine traits sexually attractive.

Bond gets married, so what? Married men can be attractive too! Bond is just a character on the screen, he could come out as gay and his persona on the screen would still be attractive to women (Think Rock Hudson)

 

[Staffsknot]

32 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

Women being attracted to "dominant" male traits is different to a woman being "subservient" to a man and doing his ironing. These attraction mechanisms developed millions of years ago B.R (Before Ronnies)

As the old adage goes - If a woman says she likes you, she Loves you, if she says she hates you, she Loves you even more! What his co-stars said and what they actually did or felt are two different things, I bet a good number of them slept with him, but if they are high profile, married and asked about him in a celebrity mag they are probably not going to say they sh*agged him are they, especially in the 1940`s and 50`s!? A woman can dislike a man and still find his masculine traits sexually attractive.

Bond gets married, so what? Married men can be attractive too! Bond is just a character on the screen, he could come out as gay and his persona on the screen would still be attractive to women (Think Rock Hudson)

 

I think the Rock Hudson places you in the over 70s crowd. Which explains a lot of your viewpoint on this - Sid James' growl snapping knicker elastic in Carry On films.

I'll explain it this way as a generational divide - ask most people under 50 if Mrs Brown's Boys is funny they'll tell you its crap, ask 60+ most lap it up like its the best thing ever.

What may have worked for you as a teddy boy ain't in any way smart or accepted now. It was probably ****** then too just I doubt the script writers had much more of a stereotyped clue. 

People react how they think they should, so if the movies say swoon people swooned. Same applies to gunshot victims - people don't jump about like in the movies, but there's a phenomena where some jump back because that's what they've seen and are conditioned to react like. Sounds mad but actual thing. 

But for the sake of clarity Bond on screen compliments women and I'm thinking you are seeing what you want. He's likeable in as far as Connery is, but also a sh!t of human being who gets people killed / uses people left right and centre. Hardly what anybody wants 

[dances with sheeple]

52 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

I think the Rock Hudson places you in the over 70s crowd. Which explains a lot of your viewpoint on this - Sid James' growl snapping knicker elastic in Carry On films.

I'll explain it this way as a generational divide - ask most people under 50 if Mrs Brown's Boys is funny they'll tell you its crap, ask 60+ most lap it up like its the best thing ever.

What may have worked for you as a teddy boy ain't in any way smart or accepted now. It was probably ****** then too just I doubt the script writers had much more of a stereotyped clue. 

People react how they think they should, so if the movies say swoon people swooned. Same applies to gunshot victims - people don't jump about like in the movies, but there's a phenomena where some jump back because that's what they've seen and are conditioned to react like. Sounds mad but actual thing. 

But for the sake of clarity Bond on screen compliments women and I'm thinking you are seeing what you want. He's likeable in as far as Connery is, but also a sh!t of human being who gets people killed / uses people left right and centre. Hardly what anybody wants 

So you think women "swooned" to masculine portrayals on screen such as Bond, Rock Hudson, Marlon Brando, Errol as RH and the guy from GWTW because they thought it was the accepted thing to do? Interesting viewpoint (or windup?) Who do you think women "swoon" for nowadays in the mainstream media/film/TV?

[dances with sheeple]

 

[Staffsknot]

Jesus wept then explain Peter Sellers - hardly the most manly of people, a comic who used to ring women up and tell them he loved them or run to their hotel at 2am to pay them a complement and act goofy. Funnily enough married Brit Eklaand and was often involved with numerous starlets over the era.

Mysteriously when he applied the 'treat em mean keep em keen' idea you seem to espouse, often due to his manic depressive hot and cold attitude they ran a mile. Seems women don't want an utter shite of a human afterall.

This whole 'she was angry at his subserviance' schtick just reads like the incel manual of a divorced bloke having a rant. You may be happily married but it just sounds like you watched Gone With The Wind and a few films and thought that is life.

If a woman tells you they hate you it isn't a sign she loves you more. By your reasoning Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will be at it like teenagers... shudder...

Let me just refer you to all the movies & screenplays you watched were written by men, at a time when blokes were very much thinking like the Harry Enfield sketch on 'Women know your limits'.

Like I say generational divide

[Orb]

6 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

Jesus wept then explain Peter Sellers - hardly the most manly of people, a comic who used to ring women up and tell them he loved them or run to their hotel at 2am to pay them a complement and act goofy. Funnily enough married Brit Eklaand and was often involved with numerous starlets over the era.

"Tell me, what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?"

[shlomo]

21 hours ago, GregBowman said:

Everyone can look professional enough to win that race - its not about being photogenic male or female.

Its dress, fitness (as in keep your weight to height ratio in check ) and a reasonably high EQ. 

The fact is some people want it more without putting in stupid hours.

Taller  men (6ft plus)  have  a better chance of being at board level fact. So if your a middling 5'10'' what do you do ?

Wear better suits, be better at everything from presentations to golf, drive the better car 

Ultimately its perception change it.

 

 

What is EQ?

[winkie]

[Staffsknot]

1 hour ago, Orb said:

"Tell me, what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?"

Exactly I'm sure Bernie Ecclestone is also a man's man 🙂

All women want a manly man in a manly occupation like say a lumberjack...

[scottbeard]

22 hours ago, sta100 said:

No

The fact he got told off in front of millions of people is the reason we're in deep trouble

Why?

Courts tell people off in public all the time.

[sPinwheel]

19 minutes ago, scottbeard said:

Why?

Courts tell people off in public all the time.

Yes but his feelings were hurt.

[dances with sheeple]

9 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

Jesus wept then explain Peter Sellers - hardly the most manly of people, a comic who used to ring women up and tell them he loved them or run to their hotel at 2am to pay them a complement and act goofy. Funnily enough married Brit Eklaand and was often involved with numerous starlets over the era.

Mysteriously when he applied the 'treat em mean keep em keen' idea you seem to espouse, often due to his manic depressive hot and cold attitude they ran a mile. Seems women don't want an utter shite of a human afterall.

This whole 'she was angry at his subserviance' schtick just reads like the incel manual of a divorced bloke having a rant. You may be happily married but it just sounds like you watched Gone With The Wind and a few films and thought that is life.

If a woman tells you they hate you it isn't a sign she loves you more. By your reasoning Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton will be at it like teenagers... shudder...

Let me just refer you to all the movies & screenplays you watched were written by men, at a time when blokes were very much thinking like the Harry Enfield sketch on 'Women know your limits'.

Like I say generational divide

Unless you knew Sellers personally and hung out with him you don`t know anything about his dynamic with women, maybe they liked the goofy side, maybe they were attracted to the dark side but couldn`t live with it or maybe the fact that he a was a rich famous man held up as a comedy genius had something to do with his powers of attraction. I only found out recently that he was an accomplished jazz drummer, I suspect his private persona wasn`t at all like what you have seen onscreen and in interviews.

I am not saying that the screen personalities of Bond etc. are ALL that attracts women, just that these screen characters exhibit some very powerful traits that DO attract women, and plenty of women of all ages will happily acknowledge this! Read any male social dynamics stuff online and even they will accept that there are a wide range of traits that attract women, from the "Alpha" to the more artistic "Dreamer" etc. and men like George Michael, Prince, Freddie Mercury probably in the early days, Bill Wyman and Sid James FFS were supposedly magnetic to women, can`t see any of them playing Bond though can you?

 

Some women still seem to like strong male characteristics it seems.....

 

[Staffsknot]

22 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

Unless you knew Sellers personally and hung out with him you don`t know anything about his dynamic with women, maybe they liked the goofy side, maybe they were attracted to the dark side but couldn`t live with it or maybe the fact that he a was a rich famous man held up as a comedy genius had something to do with his powers of attraction. I only found out recently that he was an accomplished jazz drummer, I suspect his private persona wasn`t at all like what you have seen onscreen and in interviews.

I am not saying that the screen personalities of Bond etc. are ALL that attracts women, just that these screen characters exhibit some very powerful traits that DO attract women, and plenty of women of all ages will happily acknowledge this! Read any male social dynamics stuff online and even they will accept that there are a wide range of traits that attract women, from the "Alpha" to the more artistic "Dreamer" etc. and men like George Michael, Prince, Freddie Mercury probably in the early days, Bill Wyman and Sid James FFS were supposedly magnetic to women, can`t see any of them playing Bond though can you?

 

Some women still seem to like strong male characteristics it seems.....

 

And yet you just undid your argument of how she was narced at him offering a complement because it made him subservient and not an alpha. So it was ******

If we can't say about Sellers without being there how come Errol Flynn and indeed the women in the story you can so confidently assert you know?

As for Sellers we have the words of himself, people there at the time, his kids who describe him as a monster and Ursula Andress and Brit Eklaand.

Manic depressive who could be the nicest most charming person to horrificly nasty. Example got a bad review so trashed his kids train set and told them he never wanted to see them again and he hated them. Next morning all smiles wanted them to come to see the new toys he bought and be loved again.

Even Spike, his dear mate said he could be a git and controlling.

Now back on topic you are banging out anything you can to back up a stupid statement you made that probably would have been fine in the '60s but makes you look way out of touch or like someone pitching In Like Flint as a serious movie. Statements like the complement made him subservient just sound a bit sad and cartoonish tbh.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Staffsknot

[pig]

On 26/04/2021 at 17:53, Staffsknot said:

Nice correction - agree with you both. He was an utter muppet.

She was a bit immature in her response (however justified), he was cringeworthy.

If you combine both immaturity and cringeworthiness you get a barely readable Mail article lol

 

[dances with sheeple]

4 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

And yet you just undid your argument of how she was narced at him offering a complement because it made him subservient and not an alpha. So it was ******

Just because someone couldn`t play Bond doesn`t mean they are not an "Alpha" male (Alpha isn`t the most powerful male frame anyway IMO) the guys I mentioned wouldn`t need to make cack handed attempts to get on a woman`s good side like the guy we are talking about did, that is the point, they already know that women are chasing them down wherever they go. I still think he should have said.. "F*uck, your photo is stunning....for a Lego character."

[24gray24]

Whose kidding who here? 

Of course women trade on their looks. 

But, Lord knows, the essential criterion is drive. You just can't supply that and nothing else, including intelligence ( let alone looks) is a substitute. 

[Staffsknot]

25 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

I still think he should have said.. "F*uck, your photo is stunning....for a Lego character."

Like I said makes you cartoonish and bit sad really. 

Alpha is a term bandied about like 'Lad Culture', usually as an excuse for being a childish tool.

As an ex infantry company 2ic I have supposedly been in one of the most alpha male env there is outside of tiger castrators, the supposed alpha male characters thrown up are just caricatures. Same as in nature the 'Alpha Wolf' is below the alpha female in the tree, monogomous and normally pines away without her - which makes me laugh at all the folks claiming to me alpha wolf top dog males.

There is a wonderful mickey take moment in The Rocketeer based on Flynn, where the bad guy tries to bed a starlet by quoting lines from movies. She recognises them as she's a mega fan. When she sees his normal persona he's a bit of a tit even before he becomes the villain.

Its like the myth of the gallant knight come to rescue the damsel in distress, pure Hollywood / mythology. 

Anyway Sellers did play Bond - in original Casino Royale alongside Niven 😉

I like to quote Paul Newman when an interviewer tried to be a muppet and said "you could have any woman you wanted how does a marriage survive that pressure"

His classy reply - "running around chasing women and drinking every night doesn't make you a man, it makes you a lonely old man quicker"

Another classy quote "Why go for a cheap hamburger when there's steak at home" - when asked how his marriage was so strong.

That was a guy who gets it from the same era as yourself I'm guessing.

 

[steve99]

22 hours ago, sta100 said:

This is such bull

The amount of times i've heard this work 2x as hard thing trotted out for different types of people is laughable.

People do have advantages and disadvantages, but they are not as great as the perception of them is.

?  The beneficiaries of favour rarely recognise the fact and put it down to their own hard work and intelligence rather than luck. Most people make strong subjective opinions based on looks,  women, men or cars, style before substance is a big decider in life.

[Staffsknot]

6 minutes ago, steve99 said:

?  The beneficiaries of favour rarely recognise the fact and put it down to their own hard work and intelligence rather than luck. Most people make strong subjective opinions based on looks,  women, men or cars, style before substance is a big decider in life.

Depends if you work in a vacuuous industry. Front of house in a posh restaurant with impressionable lads with big wallets coming through the door yes probably being pretty gets you further. Clinical skills & competence probably more important if you're a medical profession

[24gray24]

28 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

Depends if you work in a vacuuous industry. Front of house in a posh restaurant with impressionable lads with big wallets coming through the door yes probably being pretty gets you further. Clinical skills & competence probably more important if you're a medical profession

There's always more than one candidate with the requisite skills. 

Are you going to prefer the one you dislike over the one you like? Of course not. 

So why do people like the prettier /more handsome one more than the plain one, when the character of the looker often turns out to be dorian gray? 

It's an in built human bias surely.