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8 hours ago, dugsbody said:

I don't support Labour, never have and will never in our current corrupt voting system. But the Tories are way worse. I recognise a fraud when I see one. People tell themselves lies about the Labour party in order to soothe their conscience. 

So which socialist party are you a card carrying member of?

You keep insisting that labour are credible on economics: Its such a laughable story, you must be a paid up pro. 

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Just now, 24gray24 said:

So which socialist party are you a card carrying member of?

You keep insisting that labour are credible on economics: Its such a laughable story, you must be a paid up pro. 

You’re not seriously claiming the Tories are credible on economics ? 

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1 hour ago, 24gray24 said:

So which socialist party are you a card carrying member of?

You keep insisting that labour are credible on economics: Its such a laughable story, you must be a paid up pro. 

You seriously want to claim the Tories are credible on economics? 

I don't support any of the UK political parties now, because our voting system is undemocratic and bent. But previously voted Lib Dems because at least they want to implement some sensible stuff like vote reform, reform our drugs policy and so on. The two major parties are just utterly hopeless and the people who continue to put them in power deserve what they get.

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48 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

You seriously want to claim the Tories are credible on economics? 

I don't support any of the UK political parties now, because our voting system is undemocratic and bent. But previously voted Lib Dems because at least they want to implement some sensible stuff like vote reform, reform our drugs policy and so on. The two major parties are just utterly hopeless and the people who continue to put them in power deserve what they get.

Labour cr4p on economy conservatives credible a is a hangover from the 70s / 80s.

Hard to believe so many Tories haven't engaged brain on economics for over 3 decades other than repeating this meme but thats partly why we are where we are.

I think this website had a great critique of New Labour but too often it was confused by this conceit. 

Conversely I've had blazing rows about hpi with dyed in the wool conservatives who insisted it was merely the 'free market'. And here we are with disgusting levels of cronyism. Can't wait till I meet up again to have a chat with my long suffering friends ;)

 

 

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This one's a good one. So.. your a random company that might be able to secure some PPE, you know the good times will roll if you get in the fast lane.. but need a "government procurement consultant" to get there.

When Hancock's landlord is unavailable have a donor instead. He'll get a huge consultancy fee via the company of course.

Interestingly that nice round £100m is over double the whole turnover of that company for the prior year. I'm sure the mark up was juicy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56667960

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7 hours ago, captainb said:

This one's a good one. So.. your a random company that might be able to secure some PPE, you know the good times will roll if you get in the fast lane.. but need a "government procurement consultant" to get there.

When Hancock's landlord is unavailable have a donor instead. He'll get a huge consultancy fee via the company of course.

Interestingly that nice round £100m is over double the whole turnover of that company for the prior year. I'm sure the mark up was juicy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56667960

It's totally sickening. More so as a 40% tax payer being screwed on IHT, CGT as well.

What will be done about it?. The odd sacrificial lamb- if that.

These chits know they can get away with anything. Don't give a toss about anyone as their snouts too deep in the trough.

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1 hour ago, wighty said:

It's totally sickening. More so as a 40% tax payer being screwed on IHT, CGT as well.

What will be done about it?. The odd sacrificial lamb- if that.

These chits know they can get away with anything. Don't give a toss about anyone as their snouts too deep in the trough.

Nothing will be done. Joe public is seemingly happy with the "once in a lifetime pandemic so anything goes excuse".

Never mind.. no other western country has a "VIP fast track lane".. never mind avoiding all controls should never have happened.. never mind a "VIP fast track lane" should never exist. Pandemic mate.. oh mind the Ferrari, Hancock's landlord is picking it up later 

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20 hours ago, pig said:

You’re not seriously claiming the Tories are credible on economics ? 

This is the greatest trick the Cons have ever pulled off. And the media are on side. Can you blame us for being brainwashed?

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5 hours ago, wighty said:

It's totally sickening. More so as a 40% tax payer being screwed on IHT, CGT as well.

What will be done about it?

The government will stir up some new fury over the EU or boat people.

As long as the masses are looking somewhere else, it's all good.

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36 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

The government will stir up some new fury over the EU or boat people.

As long as the masses are looking somewhere else, it's all good.

football super league for example?.

boris and his cronies soon made political capital out of that. "we're fighting for the fans"

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On 19/04/2021 at 20:18, dugsbody said:

You seriously want to claim the Tories are credible on economics? 

I don't support any of the UK political parties now, because our voting system is undemocratic and bent. But previously voted Lib Dems because at least they want to implement some sensible stuff like vote reform, reform our drugs policy and so on. The two major parties are just utterly hopeless and the people who continue to put them in power deserve what they get.

And at the first opportunity they got into government, ie, in bed with a tory coalition, they became what they are, ie rabid Tories.  Most LibDem MP's became so on account that they thought they might rise quicker to the top than if they were in the tory party which is where they always wanted to be, however they knew as individuals that they did not have the connections and pedigree to get to the starting gate as a tory MP.   This is what Farage found out before doing UKIP

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10 hours ago, steve99 said:

And at the first opportunity they got into government, ie, in bed with a tory coalition, they became what they are, ie rabid Tories.  Most LibDem MP's became so on account that they thought they might rise quicker to the top than if they were in the tory party which is where they always wanted to be, however they knew as individuals that they did not have the connections and pedigree to get to the starting gate as a tory MP.   This is what Farage found out before doing UKIP

I disagree with your view.

They might not be perfect but at least some of their social policies make sense. 

Anyway, it's a moot point. We'll never change because our voting system is completely undemocratic, self serving and our population are too tribal to recognise that. I don't vote for anyone anymore since I realised just how broken our entire democracy is.

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21 hours ago, sPinwheel said:

This is the greatest trick the Cons have ever pulled off. And the media are on side. Can you blame us for being brainwashed?

The Tories (and Republicans) are good at supporting certain vested interests, not improving economic welfare and prosperity overall.

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Our government is completely corrupt, at this stage. There's hidden corruption, which most rational people believe goes on to some level, and then there's the point they've reached now, where they aren't even bothering to hide it anymore. 

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29 minutes ago, Unmoderated said:

Probably need to be at least half numerate before getting to be any good at economics....

https://www.businessinsider.com/77-of-british-opposition-politicians-asked-this-basic-probability-question-got-it-wrong-2012-10?r=US&IR=T

Just staggering. 

Lol - there is something in that.

You can  probably split the question between 'hard' competence eg how 'competent' generally as a minister (as a 'project manager') + how good at core subjects (academic core, numeracy etc) and then how is ideology or politics warping what you do.

 

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3 minutes ago, pig said:

Lol - there is something in that.

You can  probably split the question between 'hard' competence eg how 'competent' generally as a minister (as a 'project manager') + how good at core subjects (academic core, numeracy etc) and then how is ideology or politics warping what you do.

 

Probably not enough politicians to warrant a new qualification being set up and I guess most are lawyers who ain't too hot at maths (commercial lawyers in my experience at least). 

Ideology is a hard one. Thatcher for instance is viewed by many as the most competent PM we had in 20th century. The view is that her political and economic ideology was born out of her humble beginnings that reinforced self reliance etc.... no such thing as society etc. 

But as an Oxford Chemistry graduate she sure as heck could add up. 

Tories have presided over more recessions than Labour and have borrowed more than Labour, though the argument against has been that they've spent far longer in power (true) and have also swept to power following a fairly calamitous economic scenario after a Labour government. 

My tuppence is that I'd trust the blues with the economy more than I'd trust the reds, especially given it's the unions that picks the head of the Labour party (remember David and Ed Miliband saga?). 

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2 minutes ago, Unmoderated said:

My tuppence is that I'd trust the blues with the economy more than I'd trust the reds, especially given it's the unions that picks the head of the Labour party (remember David and Ed Miliband saga?). 

The unions picked the superior Miliband!

Obvious now with the benefit of hindsight.

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