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1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

Good morning, it seems I am not a lone voice in the wilderness.

Have there been any resignations, following wrongdoing, from the current government or has BJ always been able to tough it out and protect his hand picked, single purpose, cabinet?

They would say there has been no wrongdoings......depends on how they see/ look at it...... hasn't been wrong for them, worked well for them.;)

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12 hours ago, spyguy said:

Your problem is delegating power and decisions to elected Pols.

UK needs a smaller state, with much lower taxes and more direct democracy - see Swiss.

 

It certainly does.

Indirect democracy hands them control, for the next five years, even if the government departs from the manifesto on which they were elected. 

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12 hours ago, Social Justice League said:

The Tory party has always been a stain on the UK for 100 years or more.  Labour too.

Both parties degenerate scum who need swept away.....I totally agree.

Hence the growing appetite for #indyref2 up here in Scotland. 

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14 hours ago, Social Justice League said:

The previous and current Tory are bent.  This has been shown in public now, so everyone can laugh at them.

But the daft serf public in the UK still vote for them because they all think they are capitalists, when the really it they are just retarded peasant slaves.

The north is full of these types and they all need to be sent off to nuclear war in a tracksuit, the useless cpnt$ that they are.

 

Yawn. Off you go again, denigrating Northern folk. Seems to be a couple of posters on here like that, with massive chips on their shoulders.

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3 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

Good morning, it seems I am not a lone voice in the wilderness.

Have there been any resignations, following wrongdoing, from the current government or has BJ always been able to tough it out and protect his hand picked, single purpose, cabinet?

It pains me to say, the people got what they voted for! The warning signs have been there from the outset. Brexit was a Trojan for this government to introduce state fascism that Oswald Moseley would be proud of. Like Nazism, people have neither been listening or paying attention. Those continuing to subjugate opposition with soundbites like remoaner, wokist, antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist, labour are no better etc.  continue to prepare the way for a totalitarian government! 

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38 minutes ago, tep1 said:

It pains me to say, the people got what they voted for! The warning signs have been there from the outset. Brexit was a Trojan for this government to introduce state fascism that Oswald Moseley would be proud of. Like Nazism, people have neither been listening or paying attention. Those continuing to subjugate opposition with soundbites like remoaner, wokist, antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist, labour are no better etc.  continue to prepare the way for a totalitarian government! 

But the problem with your state fascism theory is that not even the politicians believe the state can run businesses for a greater national purpose. 

And there is no clear national purpose (apart from covid). 

It looks more like a continuation  of  corrupt crony capitalism to me.  

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1 hour ago, tep1 said:

It pains me to say, the people got what they voted for! The warning signs have been there from the outset. Brexit was a Trojan for this government to introduce state fascism that Oswald Moseley would be proud of. Like Nazism, people have neither been listening or paying attention. Those continuing to subjugate opposition with soundbites like remoaner, wokist, antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist, labour are no better etc.  continue to prepare the way for a totalitarian government! 

It never ceases to amaze me how something so obvious goes straight over the heads of the general population. I would have thought that more HPC posters would see what is happening, but there are many here supporting the government line, including the soundbites you mentioned.

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53 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

It never ceases to amaze me how something so obvious goes straight over the heads of the general population. I would have thought that more HPC posters would see what is happening, but there are many here supporting the government line, including the soundbites you mentioned.

Quite agree!

Continual education is the greatest weapon against fascism. Those who acquire large debts are most unlikely to think about societal change. Since they are trapped in a system of debt, they can’t afford the time to think.

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17 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Pretty appalling generalization of a lot of people there (I thought SJWs don't like that sort of thing). Tell us who we're supposed to vote for?

No-one? Spoil your ballot.

Why would you vote for a bunch of lying crooks? 

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18 hours ago, 24gray24 said:

But labour is worse and everyone knows that too. 

Labour are not worse. That is a story you tell yourself because the Tories allow you to blame foreigners for the UKs issues, which suits you very nicely.

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The Tories have been in power much longer than Labour ever have over the past 100 years.

The Tory party is a disgusting stain on the UK and has been for long time with David Cameron's 2016 EU ref just the latest in a long line of party before country idiosy.

UK serfs keep on voting for them because they fall for the b0ll0x about how we can all be successful capitalists by borrowing money to 'buy' a house and drive an diesel car.

At the end of the day, the UK pubic are to blame for where we are, as the stupid idiots keep on voting in total and utter scum.

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30 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Labour are not worse. That is a story you tell yourself because the Tories allow you to blame foreigners for the UKs issues, which suits you very nicely.

You're kidding yourself. 

Labour wasn't seen as fit to run a sweetshop, and its candidate was Corbyn.  

 

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21 minutes ago, Social Justice League said:

The Tories have been in power much longer than Labour ever have over the past 100 years.

The Tory party is a disgusting stain on the UK and has been for long time with David Cameron's 2016 EU ref just the latest in a long line of party before country idiosy.

UK serfs keep on voting for them because they fall for the b0ll0x about how we can all be successful capitalists by borrowing money to 'buy' a house and drive an diesel car.

At the end of the day, the UK pubic are to blame for where we are, as the stupid idiots keep on voting in total and utter scum.

Given a choice, people prefer to vote for a thief (who promises to steal from someone else and give it to them). 

Hardly surprising the thief then steals from them. 

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1 hour ago, 24gray24 said:

Given a choice, people prefer to vote for a thief (who promises to steal from someone else and give it to them). 

Hardly surprising the thief then steals from them. 

The purpose of the Conservative party is power, that's all.

(can't remember who said it, someone high up in the party in a rare moment of honesty)

Persuading people to vote for them gives them power

So they use their power to convince people to vote for them.

Very simple feedback loop. Nothing complicated. No real way to break it because they are (a) in power, and (b) single-mindedly focussed on acquiring and maintaining power.

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23 minutes ago, erat_forte said:

The purpose of the Conservative party is power, that's all.

(can't remember who said it, someone high up in the party in a rare moment of honesty)

Persuading people to vote for them gives them power

So they use their power to convince people to vote for them.

Very simple feedback loop. Nothing complicated. No real way to break it because they are (a) in power, and (b) single-mindedly focussed on acquiring and maintaining power.

 The Conservatives do have principles beyond gaining power: Keeping up military spending. Law and order. The class system. 

If they want to be actually popular, they add lowering taxes, paying off the national debt and less bureaucracy. 

Their achilles heel is pocketing more and more taxpayers money.  

Their greatest strength is Labour's economic incompetence. 

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9 minutes ago, 24gray24 said:

 The Conservatives do have principles beyond gaining power: Keeping up military spending. Law and order. The class system. 

If they want to be actually popular, they add lowering taxes, paying off the national debt and less bureaucracy. 

Their achilles heel is pocketing more and more taxpayers money.  

Their greatest strength is Labour's economic incompetence. 

 

Lowering taxes? Paying off the national debt?

In what universe?

 

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20 minutes ago, 24gray24 said:

 The Conservatives do have principles beyond gaining power: Keeping up military spending. Law and order. The class system. 

If they want to be actually popular, they add lowering taxes, paying off the national debt and less bureaucracy. 

Their achilles heel is pocketing more and more taxpayers money.  

Their greatest strength is Labour's economic incompetence UK media propaganda

FTFY

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7 hours ago, tep1 said:

It pains me to say, the people got what they voted for! The warning signs have been there from the outset. Brexit was a Trojan for this government to introduce state fascism that Oswald Moseley would be proud of. Like Nazism, people have neither been listening or paying attention. Those continuing to subjugate opposition with soundbites like remoaner, wokist, antivaxxer, conspiracy theorist, labour are no better etc.  continue to prepare the way for a totalitarian government! 

The virtuous behaviour from the start of this pandemic shows the level of control being exerted. 

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20 minutes ago, tep1 said:

FTFY

Normally would agree with you; they are both as bad each other with different marketing.

However last elections labour soundbites like "free broadband" and then claiming to have a fully costed manifesto, followed by changing tact to give WASPI women £60billion, without changing taxes.. so clearly not costed then. Hardly helped labours economic competence cause.

 

fast forward Tories have proven to be horrific on economic competence in my view but that's a different point to 2019 election.

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20 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Given the choice between a chimpanzee and a baboon for PM, one would be well advised to reject both and seek something more suitable.

I prefer 2 cheeks of the same ****. FPTP promotes only a 2 horse race and any party outside of this has marginal influence in this current system. Electoral reform to PR would empower voters to select other parties at the ballot box and would have a greater consequence on government policies. 

UK needs sea change in human welfare policy and more conservative on fiscal policy.

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