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45 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

No it doesn't. They voluntarily chose independence (and IIRC some Commonwealth nations were never under British rule in the first place).

Malta actually wanted to stay in the UK - we refused. Our governments from 1945 onwards wanted to decolonise to save cash.

So it wasn’t always a one sided choice. We just kept the overseas territories which were too small to take on defence and foreign affairs.

Most people in Hong Kong are descendants of Chinese settlers - when the UK took over the place like with Singapore there was next to nothing there.

We were legally obliged to hand it back in 1997 - and we did so. We were simply returning Chinese people back to their rightful nation - China.

Not all Commonwealth nations are nice free democracies either - but that is for those people to solve not us.

Of course you are free to take a few in personally if you wish - or is it ok to virtue signal safe in the knowledge they will be dumped on a social housing estate far from you. So you can feel all warm and fuzzy while some poor long term British resident gets moved further down the housing list? 

 

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12 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

Malta actually wanted to stay in the UK - we refused. Our governments from 1945 onwards wanted to decolonise to save cash.

So it wasn’t always a one sided choice. We just kept the overseas territories which were too small to take on defence and foreign affairs.

Most people in Hong Kong are descendants of Chinese settlers - when the UK took over the place like with Singapore there was next to nothing there.

We were legally obliged to hand it back in 1997 - and we did so. We were simply returning Chinese people back to their rightful nation - China.

Not all Commonwealth nations are nice free democracies either - but that is for those people to solve not us.

Of course you are free to take a few in personally if you wish - or is it ok to virtue signal safe in the knowledge they will be dumped on a social housing estate far from you. So you can feel all warm and fuzzy while some poor long term British resident gets moved further down the housing list? 

 

Virtue signal? Do you really think that I'm that type? I've made my dislike of the consequences of importing more and more people clear enough often enough, seeing the consequence of population growth everywhere and utterly loathing what I see? Every bland new housing estate, every new road, every "improved" railway is a knife in my heart.

"Returning Chinese people back to their rightful nation"? How many of them were born under Chinese rule?

Those other countries had a choice and chose independence, deciding to manage their own fate. No handing them over to another country (that then eventually pays no attention to the treaty it signed as part of that).

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7 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Given the British people had enough of immigration since about 2005, this is a total slap in the face.

 

I don't know whether @thewig still posts here...

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10 hours ago, Smiley George said:

It's been debated on here on numerous occasions over past year, but here is confirmation that our caring government is going to do all it can to help settle HK immigrants - "That means local councils being there to provide them with housing, with the benefit system standing behind them, with all the support the state can offer to make sure that no-one gets into difficult times,"

That the swivel eyed dirt bag Jenrick is the one announcing this, should tell you everything you want to know - basically more support for various rungs of the housing "ladder".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56669016

  Jenrick and the rest of the party want their money spent into UK housing as a boost to prices and hopefully to invest in local businesses.    As housing minister or whatever his title is, his sole purpose is to prop up prices, funnel money to builders and keep leaseholders in servitude to his friends the mega big freeholders. Its a pity he gives zero support to current citizens and their housing problems.  In reality, I can imagine only Hong Kongers with money already offshore will actually be able to get out. 

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6 hours ago, zugzwang said:

They don't want to come here which is why our govt has had to offer them an enormous bribe.

Best off just offer a bribe to those in the uk already in the same situation

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1 hour ago, longgone said:

Best off just offer a bribe to those in the uk already in the same situation

We could always send a load of people from here to Hong Kong. There seem to be plenty who love the idea of being treated with contempt and no individuality by an all-pervasive authoritarian regime if it "keeps them safe."

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1 hour ago, Riedquat said:

We could always send a load of people from here to Hong Kong. There seem to be plenty who love the idea of being treated with contempt and no individuality by an all-pervasive authoritarian regime if it "keeps them safe."

I think we should look after fallen british nationals first.  maybe you should of visited the strand  before they got wrapped in cotton wool for wu flu.

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16 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

You can move to Ireland and claim welfare!

How welcome would we be is more to the point.....will they think we would be taking their homes and jobs away?..... increasing house prices and lowering wages?;)

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The thing is I have no issue with HK residents coming over, but its unplanned.  The underlying message seems to be that the taxpayer will foot the bill if these spiffing wheezes go wrong.  We will catch you if you fall just means the UK taxpayer can be billed if needed.  

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On 08/04/2021 at 12:21, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Given the British people had enough of immigration since about 2005, this is a total slap in the face.

The concept of Britain, Britishness, England, country are all dead.  

This is a move towards a one world banker slave colony run by the same people who've been running things for the last 1000 years....the ruthless people who grabbed the land, the resources and subjugated people.  

I'd not be surprised if their aim now is to destroy China and get their claws into another 1.4Billion slaves.

 

Maybe as the notion of an ethnically homogeneous, cosy nation state but the notions of "britishness" were exported all around the world and are alive and kicking outside the jaded minds of people who actually inhabit these islands. That's not to say we put the principles of "britishness" into action ourselves, since "democracy" and the institutions and mechanisms that uphold it were long since quoshed because they're inconvenient to the influential and vocal 1%.

The HK crowd represents a productive cohort of economically viable "low hanging fruit" for the tiny clique that runs the UK so they'll not hang around when it comes to rolling out the red carpet in the same way that Blair didn't hang around in 2004 with EE. It's also political theatre to be seen to offer a refuge to an oppressed minority against the CCP (despite the fact that the UK and the west have been doing business with the callous regime for many decades) The hypocrisy is painful. 

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Like most things, it is very poorly thought out by the government due to their inability to look any deeper than the superficial surface, apart from "will it raise house prices?, and believing whatever story they want to believe.

  • My understanding that British National Overseas status could only be obtained by those living in Hong Kong before 1997, so the youngest people who could come to the UK would turn 24 this year. This stops most of the younger population from arriving.
  •  The wealthy in Hong Kong already have their money spread around the world, and so there is unlikely to be a huge transfer of wealth to the UK. They won't be bringing their money in their suitcases.
  • Similarly, most of the wealthy in Hong Kong already have residence and a bolt-hole in more attractive countries already, such as Canada or Australia, so would have no need to go to the UK.
  • The fact that they are now changing the message to be supporting immigrants suggests that the government has realized that the majority of Hong Kong BNOs are not bankers or accountants - they are older people, without good English and poorly educated.

 

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There will be queues miles long of HKers desperate to come here and get that £74.35 pw JSA, which is all a working age capable UK national is entitled to. I presume that's what the government mean by the help available, or is there going to be a special raft of entitlements for someone who happens to be born in HK?

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1 hour ago, A17 said:

Like most things, it is very poorly thought out by the government due to their inability to look any deeper than the superficial surface, apart from "will it raise house prices?, and believing whatever story they want to believe.

  • My understanding that British National Overseas status could only be obtained by those living in Hong Kong before 1997, so the youngest people who could come to the UK would turn 24 this year. This stops most of the younger population from arriving.
  •  The wealthy in Hong Kong already have their money spread around the world, and so there is unlikely to be a huge transfer of wealth to the UK. They won't be bringing their money in their suitcases.
  • Similarly, most of the wealthy in Hong Kong already have residence and a bolt-hole in more attractive countries already, such as Canada or Australia, so would have no need to go to the UK.
  • The fact that they are now changing the message to be supporting immigrants suggests that the government has realized that the majority of Hong Kong BNOs are not bankers or accountants - they are older people, without good English and poorly educated.

 

Your first point isnt correct as children and family members of a BNO holder are also eligible. So the only ones not eligible would be migrants from China mainland since 1997.

As for the other asset holding places that's true but most don't have any eligiblity to work in those places. Which makes having a property in London more attractive as you can still work in financial services, alongside your holiday home in Vancouver.

Ultimately it's the financial services point they are after. City was shafted by Brexit and this is to show its open to other markets to compensate for the loss of euro clearing etc etc

 

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