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43 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

This Alba party seems interesting. 

Yep, the rhetoric of "Planting a Saltire on a hill and making our stand" etc. is laughably bonkers though and it is 70% about him and his ego and need to get back at the people who attacked his reputation. Can`t see them getting a Yes for independence TBH,  although the benefit could be that monarchy/landowners/born to rule brigade are further weakened? but the nightmare scenario would be trying to join the euro or trying to run a separate currency and be part of the trading bloc at a deeper level than the rest of the UK. I might vote for them though just as a disrupter to the present power base, a bit like my thinking on devolution really. Ideal situation would be EZ disintegrates just as Scotland votes to become independent, that way European "elites" and UK "elites" lose some power at the same time.

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42 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

Yep, the rhetoric of "Planting a Saltire on a hill and making our stand" etc. is laughably bonkers though and it is 70% about him and his ego and need to get back at the people who attacked his reputation. Can`t see them getting a Yes for independence TBH,  although the benefit could be that monarchy/landowners/born to rule brigade are further weakened? but the nightmare scenario would be trying to join the euro or trying to run a separate currency and be part of the trading bloc at a deeper level than the rest of the UK. I might vote for them though just as a disrupter to the present power base, a bit like my thinking on devolution really. Ideal situation would be EZ disintegrates just as Scotland votes to become independent, that way European "elites" and UK "elites" lose some power at the same time.

To be fair the dynamic around independence has changed.  There is the option to join the EU and the Euro, Im not sure its much better but it is independence.   Depends really how much the scots hate the English.  

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3 hours ago, Postman said:

A contradiction in terms surely?

Authoratiarian regimes come in both left and right wing forms.  

Being on the left wing/libertarian end of the scale myself, the executive Covid powers the government have handed themselves send a chill down my spine. 

You make yourself look stupid. Nazis are extremely left wing.

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2 hours ago, dances with sheeple said:

Too much pressure from within his party to "only accept democracy when we win" maybe? TBH it wasn`t entirely clear cut how the voters would respond due to Brexit being such a nearly equally divided issue, so BJ took a gamble, but it paid off and he came out looking all the stronger for it. Yes, Corbyn could have won if he had played the  Democracy First card early on but embarrassingly he did say to Laura Kuenssberg I think it was, on the eve of the election, "I think we have won" with a smug little nod, even after all the wriggling about accepting the vote on Brexit, that probably shows that he was pretty much out of touch with reality at that point?

Or badly advised !!! 

 

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Just now, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Or badly advised !!! 

 

Or deliberately badly advised.

 

I remember before Rory Bliar got elected....he went to the city of London to garner support...I wonder what he promised them. 

The money and power is so concentrated in so few hands that they can decide the policies and what should happen, just look at brexit, those ****ers ignored democracy, we have a pretend brexit and they are continuing with their globalist agenda regardless

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1 hour ago, satsuma said:

To be fair the dynamic around independence has changed.  There is the option to join the EU and the Euro, Im not sure its much better but it is independence.   Depends really how much the scots hate the English.  

Joining the EZ isn`t independence, it is way worse than being a part of an independent UK IMO, people will have had their minds focussed by Covid and the furlough scheme though, wonder how well an independent Scotland would have fared?

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1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Or badly advised !!! 

 

Yes, they misjudged the heartland "Red Forever" areas, they hated the EU more than the Tories it seems? I think a lot of people may have decided to vote Tory once to get rid of the EU, and then hope to get rid of the Tories next time.

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6 hours ago, nothernsoul said:

This is what really frightens me at the moment. And it isnt a party political thing either, conservative governments of the past, including thatcher's, were much more accountable. The fact that none of the above mentioned politicians have resigned or been sacked, when at least Jenrick and Patel would have been gone in a flash under previous governments of all stripes. As we have no written constitution, limited constitutional checks and balances, the convention of ministerial responsibility is essential to preserve accountability. Johnson feels he can act with impunity, and on this he is largely correct. Remember this is a prime minister who will not say HOW MANY children he has, doubt any PM of the past would have got away with this. Neither would a modern PM have survived comments about ethnic groups in his writing( much worse than  antisemitism accussations aimed at corbyn in my opinion, but with a fraction of the scrutiny) 

My theory, the financial crisis, brexit and possibility of a Corbyn government put so much fear into the establishment and their media lackeys, that normal rules of liberal democratic accountability were put aside. With the covid crisis things have just stepoed up. 

 

 

we don't have a conservative government!!!

good old rishi's cover has been blown when he delivered the last budget.the amount of times I heard the soundbite "progressive and fair" bandied about should ring alarm bells, they were also constantly used by nick clegg, supposedly liberal democrat but ended up in the woke gang joining facebook.

 

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4 hours ago, btl_hater said:

It's sort of unbelievable how apathetic the wider population of this country is. Can it be explained as simply as, "I'm alright, Jack"?

bread and circusses!...enough cheap plonk to keep inebriated and enough salacious antics on love island,coupled with news spun on endless loops to cause mass hypnosis.

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1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Or deliberately badly advised.

 

I remember before Rory Bliar got elected....he went to the city of London to garner support...I wonder what he promised them. 

The money and power is so concentrated in so few hands that they can decide the policies and what should happen, just look at brexit, those ****ers ignored democracy, we have a pretend brexit and they are continuing with their globalist agenda regardless

funny how recent events are aiming toward more self sufficiency and LESS globalism isn't it??

COVID.....no PPE, had to wait for that to come from china

EVER GIVEN BLOCKAGE, ships piling up not able to transport their wares...could just as easily be iran mining the straits of hormuz or giving the yemeni's a stockplie to mine the suez.

I think this government persisting in their outlook may well see them caught on the hop...not sure what's next but another black swan is definitely in the works.

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40 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

Yes, they misjudged the heartland "Red Forever" areas, they hated the EU more than the Tories it seems? I think a lot of people may have decided to vote Tory once to get rid of the EU, and then hope to get rid of the Tories next time.

More fool them, there might not be a next time. :lol: 

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Just now, TheCountOfNowhere said:

More fool them, there might not be a next time. :lol: 

the "red wall" areas got royally screwed over by labour and tory alike.the reason they swithced is because they were fed up with labour,weren't brave enough to really go out on a limb and vote UKIP, but boris peruaded them he was actually a conservative,when he was actually blue labour.

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52 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

Joining the EZ isn`t independence, it is way worse than being a part of an independent UK IMO, people will have had their minds focussed by Covid and the furlough scheme though, wonder how well an independent Scotland would have fared?

True, the vaccine would have been slower for Scots outside the UK/as aper of the EU.  But thats just one example, how may others are there of one disaster after another.  BJ and friends would need to be pulling some more good news out of the hat pronto or the Scots will be off on their bonny way.  

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8 minutes ago, oracle said:

the "red wall" areas got royally screwed over by labour and tory alike.the reason they swithced is because they were fed up with labour,weren't brave enough to really go out on a limb and vote UKIP, but boris peruaded them he was actually a conservative,when he was actually blue labour.

Blue nu labour.

Same Same....aka banker puppets.

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40 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Blue nu labour.

Same Same....aka banker puppets.

I contacted my local labour MP asking if she endorsed Karmer's spoken view that help to buy merely pushes up house prices. She didn't even reply. Nice.

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3 hours ago, phantominvestor said:

You make yourself look stupid. Nazis are extremely left wing.

Erm... No. You're absolutely, 100% wrong. 

"Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system."

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-rightauthoritarian ultranationalism"

"fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum." 

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics." 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Nazism is about as far right as any political party has ever gone. They hated the left

Hitler hated the communists 

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1 minute ago, Postman said:

Erm... No. You're absolutely, 100% wrong. 

"Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system."

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-rightauthoritarian ultranationalism"

"fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum." 

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics." 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Nazism is about as far right as any political party has ever gone. They hated the left. 

I can understand the mistake though, many aspects of todays left wing are similar to the Nazis

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10 minutes ago, Postman said:

Erm... No. You're absolutely, 100% wrong. 

"Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system."

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-rightauthoritarian ultranationalism"

"fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum." 

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics." 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Nazism is about as far right as any political party has ever gone. They hated the left

Hitler hated the communists 

If Nazis can be argued to be socialists, which I think they were, they fall on the left. Or at least at the beginning they were Socialists.

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8 minutes ago, satsuma said:

I can understand the mistake though, many aspects of todays left wing are similar to the Nazis

For what it's worth, Corbyn voted against the 6 month extension to the emergency covid powers and many see him as a figure head of left wing politics in the UK. 

I know its easy to fall into the trap of comparing people you don't like to Nazis, but it isn't very big or clever. 

2 minutes ago, phantominvestor said:

No. they were 'socialists' in name only, simply because of the popularity of left wing groups at the time. They high jacked the 'socialist' moniker to draw people in. 

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3 minutes ago, “Nasty Piece of work” said:

Agree - but interesting that mental far Left and far Right are remarkably similar, suggesting a circle.  Is Russia far Left, Right or both?

Russia is just extreme in general

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