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I am a left leaning liberal but in recent year the woke lot have changed the face of left-wing politics. The likes of Tony Benn would not recognise the modern young left as being on his own. Even Corbyn may be hated by the woke lot.

However I am not right-wing so I am left with no side to support.

Is my sentiment rare, or do many people hold it too? It must be difficult for some traditionally conservative people in the USA who see Trumpism and and no longer feel like they belong to the GOP.

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I expect most of us have felt politically homeless for much of the history of "democracy". I consider myself liberal, but sick to the stomach with the undebatable woke and cancel culture being thrust down my throat. I breathed a sigh of relief when Cameron came in promising to make housing affordable and balance the books again 😆 but every time HMG offers a "help to" policy it makes things worse. They REALLY missed an opportunity then to raise interest rate, have a reset and blame everything on Gordon Brown. I believe in encouraging equal opportunities for all and supporting the underdog but also that many UK social policies, tax credits and the NHS are the root cause of many of our permanent underdog class and mass immigration problems and the calibre of the average Labour MP brings tears to the eyes. In the end we just have to hold our noses and vote for the least-worst politician (thus getting the politicians we deserve) while doing what little we can to make our world a better place.

 

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On 3/19/2021 at 10:48 PM, lombardo said:

I am a left leaning liberal but in recent year the woke lot have changed the face of left-wing politics. The likes of Tony Benn would not recognise the modern young left as being on his own. Even Corbyn may be hated by the woke lot.

However I am not right-wing so I am left with no side to support.

Is my sentiment rare, or do many people hold it too? It must be difficult for some traditionally conservative people in the USA who see Trumpism and and no longer feel like they belong to the GOP.

Your still left, you just a different left to the others you dont identify with surely? More than one type of left and right...

 

On 3/22/2021 at 2:35 PM, Price doubt said:

offers a "help to" policy it makes things worse

MP's and political parties need votes....

 

We need them to do the 'hard' stuff that isnt so popular. Like putting money aside each year [like we tell our kids too do] for a rainy day, not get us into a budget deficit each year. Or am I old fashioned?

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36 minutes ago, Data Dave said:

We need them to do the 'hard' stuff that isnt so popular. Like putting money aside each year [like we tell our kids too do] for a rainy day, not get us into a budget deficit each year. Or am I old fashioned?

That sounds like an intuitive thing to believe. "No magic money tree".

Going to be harder and harder to convince people of this while central banks are just printing money to prop up the assets of the asset holding classes with seemingly zero downsides (for them).

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Yes, I am disillusioned with them all. The only thing that will bring me back is if they change our voting system to something approaching democracy. Until then it is just another rigged game, like all the other rigged games.

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I think Boris is the biggest disaster to UK politics, and everything is so nasty these days, I've always been the floating liberal, the trouble is New Labour has been replaced by extreme left wing extremists, I do wonder if the Socialist Workers Party is calling the shots in the Labour Party these days?

The thing that I have noticed is the nosiy left wing demos always seems to orchestrated by Marxists and they seem to be hooking a lot of young people with lies and subversion.

I remember 1997 when New Labour swept in and kicked out the Nasty Party, there was a good vibe going on, especially when Katrina and the Waves won eurovision.

Also I think a lot of anto UK felling in Wales and Scotland is being orchestrated by outside forces, an example is Welsh not British, it turns out this is actually funded by Sinn Fein, they want the UK to break up so as there thinking goes Northern Ireland will join the irish republic!

Oh! and has anyone seem the Northumbria Independence Party!

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We haven't had a genuine left-of-centre govt for more than forty years!

If Jeremy Corbyn's to blame for our national disgrace then he must be leading a double life.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/11/tory-mps-claim-almost-3m-in-housing-rent-on-expenses

The Observer has identified 42 Conservative MPs who claim their own rent on expenses while at the same time renting out other residential properties for at least £10,000 a year in income. Among them are:

Kevin Hollinrake, who claimed £2,925 each month from April to November while owning a share of five different rental properties in York.

Paul Howell, elected in 2019 for the “red wall” seat of Sedgefield, who claimed £1,917.50 every month from April to November while renting out 16 different houses and flats across County Durham.

Paul Bristow, who claimed £10,500 of his own rent on expenses between April and November while renting out three residential properties in London.

Sixteen Tory MPs rent out residential property in London, according to the parliamentary register of interests, while claiming their own rent on expenses. They include Liam Fox, Geoffrey Cox, James Cleverly and Philip Davies.

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