Anger is mounting

[Brave New World]

16 minutes ago, BobbyZZZ said:

Its a shame I know a couple of younger ladies, well spoken/bred/educated great jobs. speak at least two languages just 30 and thinking of freezing their eggs!  Think internet dating has made sex too readily available and guys seems to not want a relationship...sad really.  In my days you used to get inundated with phones number from a night out and guys were alot nicer then...anyway....sounding old! 

Heard this from friends of a similar age. Much going for them but the advent of dating going online, being commoditised and social media layered means loads end up in this odd limbo land where dating is only tangible via the medium of swiping/presenting your life in faux social media for initial evaluation.

That said the lads I know see online dating as a blocker on getting intimate. With girls happy to send messages back and forth in lieu of actually getting a date and so on. 

Many have not been out on the old notion of 'the pull'. Chatting up and then getting to know a stranger in a bar just seems to happen very seldom now. As you highlighted, this seems to be impacting female, urban professionals. Interestingly the old approach to dating is still alive and well in the local villages around my way. 

 

[BobbyZZZ]

14 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

Accused or credible accusations?  If I were a female criminal I would always accuse the police of groping me.

all credible showing sentences, force and name of accused . Not just sexual, but corruption too

[iamnumerate]

4 minutes ago, BobbyZZZ said:

all credible showing sentences, force and name of accused . Not just sexual, but corruption too

That is awful - thanks for the clarification

[winkie]

Question: Could it be men or certain young men are going through an identity crisis?

[Orb]

Just now, winkie said:

Question: Could it be men or certain young men are going through an identity crisis?

I think that's been happening since about 1965. 

[BobbyZZZ]

1 minute ago, winkie said:

Question: Could it be men or certain young men are going through an identity crisis?

its only going to get worse when the youngsters of today in a decade plus dont know if they are he/she /it/all/none etc......

[Orb]

2 minutes ago, BobbyZZZ said:

its only going to get worse when the youngsters of today in a decade plus dont know if they are he/she /it/all/none etc......

I watched a youtube video the other day about the policeman who killed Sarah Everard. In the comments somebody said something like "they will get a long prison sentence, and they will have a tough time in prison" when referring to him. There was a bigger backlash against the person commenting than against the cop. I'm sure we can assume the cop's gender. He doesn't look or behave like somebody who has progressive views on identity politics, so I'm sure he won't mind. 

[captainb]

5 hours ago, Social Justice League said:

Most people in the UK don't care if many homeless people die of the cold every winter due to our 'civilized' society not allowing them basic shelter.

Everyone likes to pick and choose how 'caring' a society should be to fit a narative these days.

Its more complicated than that. Typically those that remain on the streets have been kicked out or even sublet the accommodation provided. 

Issue stems from drug addiction. If you are in a hostel imagine staying with a herion addict in the same room or being one. If you get given a flat worth day 1,000 pcm in London but are addicted how long till you sublet for 800 and use the cash for drugs etc etc. 

Society's treatment or lack of, drug addiction is the route cause of a lot of issues. Also the ridiculousness of considering something like ecstacy as the same is heroin in the law. Madness. 

[PeanutButter]

9 minutes ago, BobbyZZZ said:

its only going to get worse when the youngsters of today in a decade plus dont know if they are he/she /it/all/none etc......

Indeed. You can't identify your way out of oppression. These kids don't have a clue about the real world.

4 minutes ago, Orb said:

I watched a youtube video the other day about the policeman who killed Sarah Everard. In the comments somebody said something like "they will get a long prison sentence, and they will have a tough time in prison" when referring to him. There was a bigger backlash against the person commenting than against the cop. I'm sure we can assume the cop's gender. He doesn't look or behave like somebody who has progressive views on identity politics, so I'm sure he won't mind. 

Unless he decides that he's a she in which case she'll get to transfer to women's prison with plenty of victims trapped with her. The fact there aren't thousands in the streets protesting locking in-tact rapists up with women prisoners says a lot about how little we care about anything that happens conveniently out of sight. 

[Bruce Banner]

HoC coverage this afternoon should be interesting with a raft of heavyweight MPs lining up to question Patel. Starts imminently.

[MARTINX9]

Will any of the MPs speaking in the Commons today who voted for the laws banning public assemblies and protests but are complaining now those laws are being applied by the police to protests they approve of admit their inherent hypocrisy - or demand the law banning outdoor protests be repealed immediately.

Because either protests are a danger and risk to public health or they are not - the purpose of the protest should be irrelevant if you consider that the health risks are more important than the civil liberties angle which is the view they took. Or should they just be applied to protests MPs or the government disapprove of such as those criticising the government?

If you can't have more than 30 people attending a funeral (including an outdoor burial) - why can you have hundreds attending a protest.

Or instead of taking ownership and responsibility for their votes - will they blame those who enforce the laws they voted for? Priti Patel and the Cabinet may have laid the bills and regulations but over 500 MPs voted for them of all parties.

Edited March 15, 2021 by MARTINX9

[winkie]

The stay at home law is not a strong law.

[Megadebt]

46 minutes ago, BobbyZZZ said:

Thank you, I would love to meet a decent guy.  Yes i would prefer them to be successful only because I know how it effects mens ego if the woman is very successful.  I have always gone with my heart but sadly it backfires as the guy has not been successful and ultimately becomes resentful. I am sure there are guys out there that would not be but I have not found one!  

 Maybe your ideal man isn't a CEO or medical consultant. Maybe he's a HGV mechanic, builder or even a street busker. 

 I guess any genuine Gillette advert square jaw solvent alpha male without any baggage -and single, would be like a queen Bee on any dating site. 

 You might be like me, too fussy I like to call it.

 Reminds me of a dating agency in the pre internet days for intelligent people - the profiles were hilarious, borderline personality disorder narccisists...'mercurial wit' is one line that sticks in my mind. 

Maybe we should start a dating agency on HPC ? 

 

[MARTINX9]

8 minutes ago, winkie said:

The stay at home law is not a strong law.

I have no issue with people who opposed those restrictions on mass outdoor public gatherings now complaining about the police actions.

But MPs and politicians who voted for them who now are complaining those laws are being enforced - just because its for a protest they support when they raised no issues or concerns about police enforcement of protests they didn't support -  are one might suggest being a bit disingenuous.

How is it right for example that said MPs can say its now ok for hundreds of people to seemingly attend a vigil or protest about a women's tragic murder and the police not take steps to break up that illegal gathering - but still claim its ok that only 30 people from actual real friends and family are allowed to attend her funeral including any outdoor burial?

Shouldn't they be held accountable for their votes in Parliament - rather than blaming it all on police officers on the front line being asked to enforce laws they voted into law?!

Or even better - next time there is a public protest under lockdown rules - give the Met the day off and send the MPs in to enforce the law. Would like to see how they deal with it!

Edited March 15, 2021 by MARTINX9

[nickb1]

On 14/03/2021 at 10:42, debtlessmanc said:

 

you are of course correct the far left will turn out for almost any "populist" issue other than those revolving around immigration, then they turn out against the fascists. But is always the same story, we can lead you to the promised land. People should check history, it typically takes 100 years for rights to actually improve after a violent change of govt, just look at Russia now.

It's strange to me how discussion of police heavy handedness at a demo morphs into criticism of "the left", "the far left", etc. 

[winkie]

6 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

I have no issue with people who opposed those restrictions on mass outdoor public gatherings now complaining about the police actions.

But MPs and politicians who voted for them who now are complaining those laws are being enforced - just because its for a protest they support when they raised no issues or concerns about police enforcement of protests they didn't support -  are one might suggest being a bit disingenuous.

How is it right for example that said MPs can say its now ok for hundreds of people to seemingly attend a vigil or protest about a women's tragic murder and the police not take steps to break up that illegal gathering - but still claim its ok that only 30 people from actual real friends and family are allowed to attend her funeral including any outdoor burial?

Shouldn't they be held accountable for their votes in Parliament - rather than blaming it all on police officers on the front line being asked to enforce laws they voted into law?!

Or even better - next time there is a public protest under lockdown rules - give the Met the day off and send the MPs in to enforce the law. Would like to see how they deal with it!

To be honest I feel the police have been supplied with mixed messages whatever they do they can't do the right thing.

[Bruce Banner]

3 minutes ago, winkie said:

To be honest I feel the police have been supplied with mixed messages whatever they do they can't do the right thing.

The emergency Covid laws have given the police the powers of police, judge and jury, a role that they are not capable of performing, nor should they be expected to.

[Bugger BTL]

Just now, Bruce Banner said:

The emergency Covid laws have given the police the powers of police, judge and jury, a role that they are not capable of performing, nor should they be expected to.

Yes, precisely.

In relation to the policing this weekend, as with various other covid related fiascos like the Derbyshire 'picnic' in January, the stage for the problem has been set by very poor legislation and governance. We've now had just about a year of this due to covid, and as every day passes it grows less satisfactory. The unreasonable and imperfect expectations on the police, whether it's judging what counts as a proportionate protest or enforcing laws that are much less restrictive than guidance, are combined with their poor decision making. In this case, by refusing to continue engaging with people wanting to hold a vigil for Sarah as though they think they're in some Eastern Bloc police state, in the Derbyshire walkers case by claiming that a takeaway coffee constitutes a picnic. 

I do have some sympathy with the police, up to a point, because poor governance has placed them into a bind. However there have been numerous occasions of police going beyond the excusable point. Either way, it's a toxic combination, but with no shortage of people willing to embarrass themselves by proffering ridiculous excuses for indefensible policing.

[MARTINX9]

23 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

It's strange to me how discussion of police heavy handedness at a demo morphs into criticism of "the left", "the far left", etc. 

Hardly - the multiple anti lockdown protests which the police sought to disperse in recent months were blamed on the right and far right albeit noting that on many occasions they were led by Piers Corbyn who is apparently on the left!

But the same MPs had no issue with police action taken to disrupt and end those protests - even though of course those protestors were arguing for the right of any one to protest about anything outdoors.

There is no evidence outdoor protests cause a public health risk in the pandemic - so why don't all these politicians today demand the law is repealed immediately.  You can't have one law for one protest you approve of - and another for protests you disapprove of!

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by MARTINX9

[debtlessmanc]

34 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

It's strange to me how discussion of police heavy handedness at a demo morphs into criticism of "the left", "the far left", etc. 

The

 

34 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

It's strange to me how discussion of police heavy handedness at a demo morphs into criticism of "the left", "the far left", etc. 

I critised both extremes, they seem to be the ones getting upset about the lockdown. The vigil might have been about the murder, but the reason the police were there was the violation of the covid rules. here is the girl photographed resisting arrest yestresday being interviewed by a revolutionary socialist group (counterfire- it is how they describe themselves) note she is not wearing a face mask.

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[BobbyZZZ]

1 hour ago, Megadebt said:

 Maybe your ideal man isn't a CEO or medical consultant. Maybe he's a HGV mechanic, builder or even a street busker. 

 I guess any genuine Gillette advert square jaw solvent alpha male without any baggage -and single, would be like a queen Bee on any dating site. 

 You might be like me, too fussy I like to call it.

 Reminds me of a dating agency in the pre internet days for intelligent people - the profiles were hilarious, borderline personality disorder narccisists...'mercurial wit' is one line that sticks in my mind. 

Maybe we should start a dating agency on HPC ? 

 

I definitely think a dating HPC could work!  Yes I am fussy and I never did rule out builders etc, my ex was one...but as I say...the chippiness/ resentfulness comes through after a while and makes is very difficult to have a relationship

[Bruce Banner]

48 minutes ago, Bugger BTL said:

Yes, precisely.

In relation to the policing this weekend, as with various other covid related fiascos like the Derbyshire 'picnic' in January, the stage for the problem has been set by very poor legislation and governance. We've now had just about a year of this due to covid, and as every day passes it grows less satisfactory. The unreasonable and imperfect expectations on the police, whether it's judging what counts as a proportionate protest or enforcing laws that are much less restrictive than guidance, are combined with their poor decision making. In this case, by refusing to continue engaging with people wanting to hold a vigil for Sarah as though they think they're in some Eastern Bloc police state, in the Derbyshire walkers case by claiming that a takeaway coffee constitutes a picnic. 

I do have some sympathy with the police, up to a point, because poor governance has placed them into a bind. However there have been numerous occasions of police going beyond the excusable point. Either way, it's a toxic combination, but with no shortage of people willing to embarrass themselves by proffering ridiculous excuses for indefensible policing.

On the bright side.

The current emergency powers are somewhat similar to emergency war time powers. Think back to what happened to Winston Churchill in the first general election after the war. He lost, and the people really loved him, because they wanted to forget the wartime restrictions and a change of government was their way of doing it.

[Si1]

2 hours ago, BobbyZZZ said:

Thank you, I would love to meet a decent guy.  Yes i would prefer them to be successful only because I know how it effects mens ego if the woman is very successful.  I have always gone with my heart but sadly it backfires as the guy has not been successful and ultimately becomes resentful. I am sure there are guys out there that would not be but I have not found one!  

Aren't they're introduction agencies specifically for people like you? I guess you've tried them.

[Si1]

1 hour ago, debtlessmanc said:

The

 

I critised both extremes, they seem to be the ones getting upset about the lockdown. The vigil might have been about the murder, but the reason the police were there was the violation of the covid rules. here is the girl photographed resisting arrest yestresday being interviewed by a revolutionary socialist group (counterfire- it is how they describe themselves) note she is not wearing a face mask.

 

Is the revolutionary socialist group aware that their broadcast medium - Twitter and the internet, and probably their smartphones too - are all products of capitalism?

Oh and that there's a pandemic on. Like where lots of people, like, die.

[Trampa501]

33 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

On the bright side.

The current emergency powers are somewhat similar to emergency war time powers. Think back to what happened to Winston Churchill in the first general election after the war. He lost, and the people really loved him, because they wanted to forget the wartime restrictions and a change of government was their way of doing it.

You're assuming that elections will continue in the same vein. Before I'm rightly accused of tin foil paranoia, remember that few would have predicted a short time back that all pubs, restaurants and cinemas would be closed in this country. Circumstances change.