Recruitment is broken

[NoHPCinTheUK]

I have given up trying to advance my career. I am 30 and I do not understand what I should do to be in a better place. It’s a joke. You have experience however you miss the knowledge, you know, we can’t teach you super busy at the moment. You know your stuffs but you lack some practical experience. You’re a white straight man? Do not even try applying for a big US firm. A manager simply told me right know you gotta know someone or know some9ne who knows someone. 
And those bloody HR people, I wonder what the hell they are paid for. 
I started thinking I’d be on my own. 
F*** this shit. 
 

 

[Highway to Hell]

It used to be the case that (for many..most) it was necessary to move organisations to 'advance'.  Now, many organisations are not hiring (or at least only in specific roles / areas) and anyone recruiting right now will know that any vacancy posted is swamped with applications almost instantly.  So moving to advance isn't really an option for many either.

 

 I don't think you are alone in how you (probably very accurately) see things just now.  What to do about it?  As has been said before many times....try to monitorise something you enjoy doing anyway and see how that goes.  Easy to say of course; a lot harder to put into practice.

 

At least seeing things for what they are is a good thing - Even if things do look a bit sh1te at the moment 🙂

[LetsBuild]

If you are a doer you need to be self employed and negotiate your own salary.

In my experience those being rewarded in large firms are those who are really good at promoting themselves, taking credit for work that isn’t really theirs and moving position often so when things go wrong it doesn’t stick to them. The types that spend all day in meetings but never have any actions as a result from the meeting.

So either play the game or start contracting, otherwise your glory from the hard work just gets stolen by the aforementioned types.

[Gigantic Purple Slug]

 

I have given up trying to advance my career. I am 30 and I do not understand what I should do to be in a better place. It’s a joke. You have experience however you miss the knowledge, you know, we can’t teach you super busy at the moment. You know your stuffs but you lack some practical experience. You’re a white straight man? Do not even try applying for a big US firm. A manager simply told me right know you gotta know someone or know some9ne who knows someone. 
And those bloody HR people, I wonder what the hell they are paid for. 
I started thinking I’d be on my own. 
F*** this shit. 
 

 

Generally you only gain big in career progression terms through moving.

You want more. These guys don't want to train you, or give it to you. So you have to move. With all the risks that that entails.

The bottom line is that good things don't come to people who sit around and complain. You have to be proactive and take action. It's your career - make it so that it is in your hands.

Just remember though, moving is not without risk. You might fail at your new place, or it may turn out to be even worse. Everywhere looks like the land of milk and honey from a distance.

[NoHPCinTheUK]

Nobody is giving a free ride these days. I’d like to to more, something different but it’s simply not there. I apply for jobs with CV, letters, they send me some useless reasoning test, some useless personality test, some useless additional question about someone you admire and they don’t even bother getting back with a yes or no answer. I have spoken with a kid who got his degree this summer and I have seen what he has to do for these grad schemes. It’s absolutely mental. It’d be better for those companies to simply say you need a First with 80% avg in those fields to apply. Oh but then the whole story about a degree as a ticket to good corporate jobs will collapse. By the way, still nothing arranged for him, so he’s better getting a driving license and work for Amazon or pack his stuffs and leave I told him. 

Edited November 24, 2020 by NoHPCinTheUK

[Gigantic Purple Slug]

Well you mention it is possible to go it alone ?

So why not take a half step and go work for a small business ?

[Martin_JD]

 

Nobody is giving a free ride these days. I’d like to to more, something different but it’s simply not there. I apply for jobs with CV, letters, they send me some useless reasoning test, some useless personality test, some useless additional question about someone you admire and they don’t even bother getting back with a yes or no answer. I have spoken with a kid who got his degree this summer and I have seen what he has to do for these grad schemes. It’s absolutely mental. It’d be better for those companies to simply say you need a First with 80% avg in those fields to apply. Oh but then the whole story about a degree as a ticket to good corporate jobs will collapse. By the way, still nothing arranged for him, so he’s better getting a driving license and work for Amazon or pack his stuffs and leave I told him. 

What field of work are you looking to progress in?

Edited November 24, 2020 by Martin_JD

[NoHPCinTheUK]

 

What type of field are you looking in?

It’s not about me, it’s about the whole system and how it works. It’s the same s**t in IT, software, corporate, finance, energy. 

[Martin_JD]

huh?  I'm just interested in which field you are looking, as I have practical experience 

[NoHPCinTheUK]

 

huh?  I'm just interested in which field you are looking, as I have practical experience 

Well share it.

Edited November 24, 2020 by NoHPCinTheUK

[Martin_JD]

So my experience is in IT, which may or may not be relevant, depending on what field are you looking in?

[NoHPCinTheUK]

 

So my experience is in IT, which may or may not be relevant, depending on what field are you looking in?

Who cares, share it anyway. We’re here to discuss. 

[Martin_JD]

Strange that you won't share the field you're looking in, as advise really depends on the career you're looking to forward, ie, taking professional qualifications in your chosen field can really improve your chances.  Also sub specialising in a niche within your field can really help you to stand out from the crowd.

 

Sometimes you need to move sideways, or even down & across to get you where you eventually want to be, in terms of roles.

[Buzzardo2]

 

If you are a doer you need to be self employed and negotiate your own salary.

 

No way in the current and post-corona world.

 

Sunak has made it very clear that self-employment is a total no-go area from now on, by totally Excluding over half of the genuinely self-employed from any sort of compensation since March, while ruthlessly preventing us from trading and shovelling millions to his mates and family.

 

Any time he and Johnson are asked the question in HoC, they either just lie about "unacceptable fraud" (yup guys - fraud is for your crony mates, we know, not the little people) or "Hands / Face / Space...blether...back to normal...bluster..wibble..."

 

Don't touch self-employment with a barge-pole, until this corrupt lot are well back in the rear view mirror...

 

B 2

[Buzzardo2]

 

So why not take a half step and go work for a small business ?

Because while feeding the foliage of those businesses with Furlough cash, Sunak has poured battery acid on the roots (the business owners) and up to 7.5m jobs in SME's are about to disappear.

 

Blow with the wind; he wants everyone to work for his crony mates in Big Business - the plan has been clear since the leaked SAGE minutes back in March, and so far it's played out - step by step - pretty much by the book.

 

Stay Big Corporate. Be a Drone. Create wealth for Tory mates.

 

B**tards.

 

B2

[NoHPCinTheUK]

 

Strange that you won't share the field you're looking in, as advise really depends on the career you're looking to forward, ie, taking professional qualifications in your chosen field can really improve your chances.  Also sub specialising in a niche within your field can really help you to stand out from the crowd.

 

Sometimes you need to move sideways, or even down & across to get you where you eventually want to be, in terms of roles.

Do you think this is still possible right now? 

[spyguy]

 

I have given up trying to advance my career. I am 30 and I do not understand what I should do to be in a better place. It’s a joke. You have experience however you miss the knowledge, you know, we can’t teach you super busy at the moment. You know your stuffs but you lack some practical experience. You’re a white straight man? Do not even try applying for a big US firm. A manager simply told me right know you gotta know someone or know some9ne who knows someone. 
And those bloody HR people, I wonder what the hell they are paid for. 
I started thinking I’d be on my own. 
F*** this shit. 
 

 

Let me disabuse you on your point - 

You dont know your 'stuff' without any reasonable number (5+) of practical experience/applying it/making a living from it.

 

 

[spyguy]

 

Nobody is giving a free ride these days. I’d like to to more, something different but it’s simply not there. I apply for jobs with CV, letters, they send me some useless reasoning test, some useless personality test, some useless additional question about someone you admire and they don’t even bother getting back with a yes or no answer. I have spoken with a kid who got his degree this summer and I have seen what he has to do for these grad schemes. It’s absolutely mental. It’d be better for those companies to simply say you need a First with 80% avg in those fields to apply. Oh but then the whole story about a degree as a ticket to good corporate jobs will collapse. By the way, still nothing arranged for him, so he’s better getting a driving license and work for Amazon or pack his stuffs and leave I told him. 

They never have.

 

[NuBrit]

 

I have given up trying to advance my career. I am 30 and I do not understand what I should do to be in a better place. It’s a joke. You have experience however you miss the knowledge, you know, we can’t teach you super busy at the moment. You know your stuffs but you lack some practical experience. You’re a white straight man? Do not even try applying for a big US firm. A manager simply told me right know you gotta know someone or know some9ne who knows someone. 
And those bloody HR people, I wonder what the hell they are paid for. 
I started thinking I’d be on my own. 
F*** this shit. 
 

 

It sounds like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. I am not surprised you aren't doing as well in your career as you might want to be doing.

[Postman]

Sell drugs. Its easier

[msi]

 

You’re a white straight man? Do not even try applying for a big US firm.
 

 

Really?  Got any evidence for this?

If not, then you've lost me...take your bitter chip and drown your sorrows in 'spoons.

[Roman Roady]

 

Generally you only gain big in career progression terms through moving.

You want more. These guys don't want to train you, or give it to you. So you have to move. With all the risks that that entails.

The bottom line is that good things don't come to people who sit around and complain. You have to be proactive and take action. It's your career - make it so that it is in your hands.

Just remember though, moving is not without risk. You might fail at your new place, or it may turn out to be even worse. Everywhere looks like the land of milk and honey from a distance.

@NoHPCinTheUK This...and this is why you don't want to be in debt if you can possibly help it. When you take on debt for the first time, the phrase "I have to" enters your life. It gradually takes you over with marriage and children etc. It leaves you in your later years (your 50's) but in your 30's you suddenly find your self tied down and trapped. Being free of debt means you can fail at one job and still recover. You are braver, hence the corporate world wants you in debt with a mortgage, partner in another local job, kids in school...they don't want you footloose and fancy free.

Remember no one in the corporate world wants to help you...BUT they have to invest something in you else they will will end up losing ground to their competition. Therefore play the game, grab what you can and milk them for all they are worth.

So whilst you are young, take a job, learn what you can, establish your self at a certain level in your field. When you become competent, consolidate for a few months maybe a year, then move on (if they don't promote you to your satisfaction). DO NOT GET STUCK IN THE COMFORT ZONE.

When you move on you should be uncomfortable for a few months...this is pressure which is good. Don't confuse it with stress which is very bad. Pressure can be uncomfortable and whilst you are experiencing it you would probably take the chance to get out of it...however when its over you have grown and moved on. You are glad you experienced it. Stress is where pressure exceeds your ability to cope...when this happens get out. The thing with pressure is that the more you experience, the more you can deal with.

Hope this helps.

[smash]

 

[crash-and-burn]

I was studious during my GCSE's and totally indifferent by my A-levels. Education only teaches so much, and it's very much driven by career orientation, and societal and cultural norms. It's not all bad, but it does nothing much for life skills, spiritual thirst, connecting with nature and creativity. I still took my degree, got a good grade, but immediately reinvented myself and went off in a different direction. There's always alternatives and other options.

The first week I started working in an office, and I knew I had to get out. I couldn't abide a life enclosed, surrounded by people I didn't particularly relate to, meetings with meaningless business drivel like 'blue sky thinking' when the real sun was shining outdoors and my head full of ideas. I resigned after a few months, stumbled into a much better job, but still couldn't envision decades of my life following this pattern. Eventually I managed to break free from the idea of career, went self-employed and found ways to make ends meet, then moved overseas. I can go outside whenever I want, to a beautiful view over nature, indulge in my creative passions, and still make ends meet. Giving up on the idea of career was the best and kindest thing I have ever done for myself.

I say, do what you love, and eventually people will love what you do, and perhaps you can make it pay. If not, you could get to your 40's or 50's, realise that life is pretty short and wonder what the hell it was really all for.

[Hullabaloo82]

 

Really?  Got any evidence for this?

If not, then you've lost me...take your bitter chip and drown your sorrows in 'spoons.

Yes, it's well known that straight white males have it really tough in the States, surprised the recent presidential election which was contested by two straight white males (like probably 95% of the previous ones) isn't evidence enough for you?

There is definitely an air of chip on shoulder to this. The reality is now isn't really the time to be looking to switch jobs as it's very much a seller's market so of course you're going to find it hard in the midst of a pandemic with numerous people out of work. 

Now's the time for hunkering down, building up that skillset ready for the new year where I think there's a 50 50 chance of a post pandemic boom when confidence returns to the market (the 50 being down to whether BoJo and the gang can finally just let brexit go and let us get on with it with as minimum fuss as possible - sadly still a chance the hardliners can ****** it up for everyone else).