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This probably explains why Blair wanted prices to rise - it shows that the Tories are complete idiots in not making them cheaper

 

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"This is why runaway housing costs are an existential crisis for our own Conservative Party, building a bonfire under their future election prospects as the younger generation move Left. (It is also the subject of my book, the paperback of which will be out in January.)"

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The Tories will vanish inside 15 to 30 like the Whigs (because virtually everybody under the age of 45 is doing so much worse, even comparison to young adults from the 80s/90s/early 00s).

Very true - partly because of what Labour did though.

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Very true - partly because of what Labour did though.

You blaming Labour for the demise of the Whigs?  That's a stretch, even for the Daily Fail brigade - and they tried to tie Abe Lincolns death

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The Tories will vanish inside 15 to 30 years like the Whigs (because virtually everybody under the age of 45 is doing so much worse, even in comparison to young adults from the 80s/90s/early 00s).

Well I'm now mid later 40s and just over your bracket,  but remain a Tory Party member, though didn't vote for them last time.

I may vote Labour next time, purely as Starmer is the only sensible game in town.

The problem the Tory Party has is that most of the members are a minimum of 15 years older than me, with many in their 80s.

These are the same people that fall for scam calls pretending to be from BT/Amazon/TV Licensing etc, and end up either allowing remote access to their PC or  handing over bank details. So hardly surprising they selected Boris.

 

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These are the same people that fall for scam calls pretending to be from BT/Amazon/TV Licensing etc, and end up either allowing remote access to their PC or  handing over bank details. So hardly surprising they selected Boris.

 

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This probably explains why Blair wanted prices to rise - it shows that the Tories are complete idiots in not making them cheaper

 

https://unherd.com/thepost/later-life-marriage-means-fewer-conservatives/

"This is why runaway housing costs are an existential crisis for our own Conservative Party, building a bonfire under their future election prospects as the younger generation move Left. (It is also the subject of my book, the paperback of which will be out in January.)"

So who has any credible policies about what to do about high housing costs which have been brought about by near zero interest rates, I haven't seen any? The popular view is that all the government has to do is print a trillion or so and build millions of houses then hand them out in some kind of lottery based on an arbitrary criteria like being under the age of 45. This kind of thinking is simply a fantasy, and wouldn't actually do anything about the availability of credit.

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Forgot to mention the value of my house in my comment. Yes, I'd love to hand over my bank details and mother's maiden name as part of my equity withdrawal application!!

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Forgot to mention the value of my house in my comment. Yes, I'd love to hand over my bank details and mothers maiden name as part of my equity withdrawal application!!

George abdutwango would like that very much, the monies need to be removed to spring clean the bank account ready for summer.

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Most of you lot have never lived under a Labour government. ;)

I was born just before Harold Wilson, does that count?

Though only really remember Jimmy Callaghan being replaced by the The Thatch as a small child.

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The Tories will vanish inside 15 to 30 years like the Whigs (because virtually everybody under the age of 45 is doing so much worse, even in comparison to young adults from the 80s/90s/early 00s).

It doesn't work like that - the Labour Party didn't die because when communism died, it evolved to become less socialist.  That's how Tony Blair had 10 years in power.  Similarly the Tories will evolve too, if they need to do so to get re-elected in 15-30 years time.  

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It doesn't work like that - the Labour Party didn't die because when communism died, it evolved to become less socialist.  That's how Tony Blair had 10 years in power.  Similarly the Tories will evolve too, if they need to do so to get re-elected in 15-30 years time.  

The whole Westminster system itself could get shattered in a civil war or/and environmental catastrophe in that period of time for all we know.

The Tories are too populated by people who don't want to evolve and fight against it.

Even in the Cold War era most of the Labour Party was more pro-Capitalism than pro-Soviet, and the Tories are as tied into dying Neoliberal Capitalism and grossly overpriced land as the real Communist Party was into the cumbersome Command Economy and creaky Soviet system...

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You blaming Labour for the demise of the Whigs?  That's a stretch, even for the Daily Fail brigade - and they tried to tie Abe Lincolns death

No for making houses more expensive and life harder for young people.

Are you big a Saracens fan by the way?

 

 

Most of you lot have never lived under a Labour government. ;)

How many 10 year olds are posting on this site?

I know the Tories are stupid but if Labour are claiming that for 13 years they voted for someone who was not Labour and didn't know  it - they make even Teresa May look clever - which is tricky.

 

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No for making houses more expensive and life harder for young people.

Are you big a Saracens fan by the way?

Houses have been "made" more expensive globally. There is pretty much no country unimpacted. Knowing that, do you think it might be wise to look a little more broadly at the cause rather than blaming this or that government?

Both governments believe that housing is key to the UKs economic sentiment and wellbeing - as frustrating as this is. So they'll certainly keep pursuing policies that don't let houses crash, but the real driver of high house prices has nothing to do with the UK government.

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Houses have been "made" more expensive globally. There is pretty much no country unimpacted. Knowing that, do you think it might be wise to look a little more broadly at the cause rather than blaming this or that government?

Both governments believe that housing is key to the UKs economic sentiment and wellbeing - as frustrating as this is. So they'll certainly keep pursuing policies that don't let houses crash, but the real driver of high house prices has nothing to do with the UK government.

I blame both parties, I am not sure it is global* btw, although many countries are affected.  I have a relatives in South America and there people believe that there children will be able to live in similar houses to previous generations - which no one in London believes.

I do believe the Government and past Governments are to blame because they believe high house prices are good.

 

*I am not entirely sure it is even national.  I know people living in a town in the North West where prices in their road have gone from 30+K to 80K from 97 to today - that is not much worse than inflation when you take into account lower interest rates (I haven't done the sums for the exact affordability, feel free to disprove me).

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Houses have been "made" more expensive globally. There is pretty much no country unimpacted. Knowing that, do you think it might be wise to look a little more broadly at the cause rather than blaming this or that government?

Both governments believe that housing is key to the UKs economic sentiment and wellbeing - as frustrating as this is. So they'll certainly keep pursuing policies that don't let houses crash, but the real driver of high house prices has nothing to do with the UK government.

Not every country directly pumps money into BS schemes like HTB.

More tripe.

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Not every country directly pumps money into BS schemes like HTB.

More tripe.

No, not every country does and you're proving my point because just about every developed country has experienced massive HPI over the last several decades.

Thanks.

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No, not every country does and you're proving my point because just about every developed country has experienced massive HPI over the last several decades.

Thanks.

No I'm not.

HTB when cheap money just won't do like the rest of the world.

Average Joe is being systematically destroyed here either through financial poverty or time poverty every change is a bad one.

The cars are next they have taken home ownership away from most unless you sell your entire life away to live in some overpriced tiny 3 bed chithole semi or a flat pack wrapped up in celotex.

Cars will be for rich only, then the health service.

 

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I blame both parties, I am not sure it is global* btw, although many countries are affected. 

It's a issue in developed countries and has become pretty bad in North America and Australia.

First World becoming Third World (no homes, cars, and public services) will erode democractic governments permanently, and the corporations will be unable to sustain themselves and their owners will become besieged.

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No I'm not.

HTB when cheap money just won't do like the rest of the world.

Average Joe is being systematically destroyed here either through financial poverty or time poverty every change is a bad one.

The cars are next they have taken home ownership away from most unless you sell your entire life away to live in some overpriced tiny 3 bed chithole semi or a flat pack wrapped up in celotex.

Cars will be for rich only, then the health service.

 

It's the same in Canada, New Zealand, Australia, USA, Switzerland, Germany, France, Spain, Sweden, Japan, Singapore, South Africa, Norway, Denmark, etc.

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No I'm not.

HTB when cheap money just won't do like the rest of the world.

Average Joe is being systematically destroyed here either through financial poverty or time poverty every change is a bad one.

The cars are next they have taken home ownership away from most unless you sell your entire life away to live in some overpriced tiny 3 bed chithole semi or a flat pack wrapped up in celotex.

Cars will be for rich only, then the health service.

Over what timescale are you talking? 

Growing up (in the 1980s) while we did have a detached house (three bedder and dad extended it doing a lot of DIY to make five as we're a family of six) we had one car, no mobiles, no holidays (honestly not ever one holiday).

Fast forward to me being my dad's age when I was a kid and I have a detached house, one car, plenty of holidays and pretty much anything else I want. 

To be honest I do find that the issue is increasingly an entitlement one. 'It's my right to buy a house for 1950s money on a 2020 salary, and drive a car without being taxed, or pay any tax, tax should be optional. and it's my right for NHS healthcare and for the state or some virtue signalling footballer to look after and feed my kids'.

The take, take entitlement attitude doesn't reinforce the work and pay and contribute ethics and it would seem the slope is a very slippery one and with policy and spending on some ratchet. 

To your points on HTB there are various schemes across other nations. The USA I'm more familiar with. during the GFC you could post your keys to the bank, walk across the street and buy the identical house for half the mortgage you use3d to owe. They even have a term for it 'Jingle Mail'. If you bought a house in the aftermath you received all your income tax back in the form of a rebate for that year. If you build a house you're allowed (certainly in some states if not all) to offset the cost in your tax return. 

Average Joe needs to grab himself by the lapels and shout into the mirror "I'm a tiger grrrrrrr" until he can get out there and make something of himself. 

My next house is likely to be a celotex flatpack but I'll bespoke it.

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Over what timescale are you talking? 

Growing up (in the 1980s) while we did have a detached house (three bedder and dad extended it doing a lot of DIY to make five as we're a family of six) we had one car, no mobiles, no holidays (honestly not ever one holiday).

Fast forward to me being my dad's age when I was a kid and I have a detached house, one car, plenty of holidays and pretty much anything else I want. 

 

How many children do you have?  If less than your parents that could explain why you have more holidays than they did.

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