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Trump has nothing to lose by complaining about fraud early and often. If he wins, he'll say he won despite the fraud. If he loses, but there is a widespread perception that he lost as a result of fraud, there are various ways this could help him:

1) Save face

2) Retain popularity with his base to stay relevant and cash in after leaving office

3) Motivate terrorist attacks on vote counting

4) Challenge vote at the Supreme Court

5) Flip some electors

Except for the timing - which seems to undermine the claim

I get a lot of his 'base' are somewhat divorced from reality ,insulated from being informed if you will, and it may galvanise them.

But not all. Surely its got to alienate a certain proportion of his support and tend undermine any claim at the Supreme Court as vexatious.

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Except for the timing - which seems to undermine the claim

I get a lot of his 'base' are somewhat divorced from reality ,insulated from being informed if you will, and it may galvanise them.

But not all. Surely its got to alienate a certain proportion of his support and tend undermine any claim at the Supreme Court as vexatious.

It's the Trump clan that are doing all the hand-waving. You may notice that many Republican politicians are being pretty circumspect about all of this and keeping their distance.

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Politics aside, he must be gutted. If the pandemic hadn't happened, the strength of his result shows that he probably would have won under normal circumstances.

Problem with pandemic is that it finds administrations out.

Tangible, material, immediate, traceable effects.

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I've gotta say, it's highly amusing watching Trump fire off lawsuits each time one of these final few states go blue lol. A man who despises losing above all else is actually losing while the whole world watches. 

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Don't want to tempt fate, but this has turned from an awful election at 5 a.m. this morning  into what I hope will be Biden's nomination.

Hummin'
All the way to Reno
All the way to Reno
All the way to Reno
You're gonna be a star, you are, you are
You're gonna be a star
You're gonna be a star, you are, you are
You're gonna be a star
 
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More from PA, times are GMT

11:00 - (Before mail in count started, they were unable to start counting earlier because the Republicans blocked it)

Trump 2,969,504

Biden 2,350,664

Difference 618,840

Count - 75%

19:15 -

Trump 3,063,634 (+94,130 on 11:00)

Biden 2,599,924 (+249,260 on 11:00)

Difference 463,710

Count - 80%

21:00 - 

Trump 3,101,645 (+38,011 on 19:15)

Biden 2,751,960 (+152,036 on 19:15)

Difference 349,685

Count - 83%

23:20

Trump 3,143,021 (+41,376 on 21:00)

Biden 2,866,042 (+114,082 on 21:00)

Difference 276,979

Count - 85%

At this rate Biden will pass him before the count reaches 93%, or maybe sometime late afternoon tomorrow barring any legal shenanigans.

Not that he actually needs PA at this point.

 

GA is getting interesting...

11:00

Trump 2,381,870 

Biden 2,357,457 

Difference 102,134

Count - 92%

23:30

Trump 2,414,854 (+32,984 on 11:00)

Biden 2,357,457 (+77,721 on 11:00)

Difference 57,397

Count - 94%


At this rate Biden will pass him before the count reaches 97%

 

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Donald Trump seems to be objecting to his legal team’s strategy for challenging his losses in Wisconsin and Michigan by demanding access to vote-counting sites.

 

Interesting.

Biden now 264! 

AZ will deliver the win.

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lol at Trump.  The end is already here but he fights on..............until the weekend. 

It's been a very entertaining four years though and i've got to say this,  I'll miss him in a warped, sick way.

He was pure comedy and I know Biden will be boring and tedious in comparison.

 

I can't stand the guy. . . . . but I'm going to miss him too!

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Biden now 264.!

AZ will deliver the win.

Depends which route out of the maze your broadcaster is following. I've AZ already chalked in, but Nevada is the one going to take Biden across the line. 6 EC votes to be had. 0.6% according to my feed, but all the votes are now blue from turning pink  just recently.  :)

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