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3 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

why does twitter, YouTube etc remove videos about UN 2030 agenda/global reset or other views on COVID? even pro-trump videos? 

it's about control and reducing freedom of speech. They don't want people hearing the other side of the story - balanced.

if you are happy with that, you are mad. 

They have something close to freedom of speech in the US, but not completely. We have less in Britain. Do you campaign for removing restrictions on free speech? If not, why do you think the current level of restrictions is optimal?

They aren't banning the other side (there are often multiple sides to an issue).

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Moving from conspiracy theories to the reality and beyond Trump

Lady Gaga and Jennifer Lopez are to perform at the inauguration ceremony for incoming US President Joe Biden.

After the ceremony, Tom Hanks will host a star-studded televised special.

Titled Celebrating America, the 90-minute prime-time programme will also feature US musicians Jon Bon Jovi, Demi Lovato, Justin Timberlake and Ant Clemons.

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1 minute ago, rollover said:

Moving from conspiracy theories to the reality and beyond Trump

Lady Gaga and Jennifer Lopez are to perform at the inauguration ceremony for incoming US President Joe Biden.

After the ceremony, Tom Hanks will host a star-studded televised special.

Titled Celebrating America, the 90-minute prime-time programme will also feature US musicians Jon Bon Jovi, Demi Lovato, Justin Timberlake and Ant Clemons.

BBC

I won't be watching..... 

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17 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

I won't be watching..... 

Aw come on...join in the fun... I hear that Trump has a bit part....he'll be showing us his prize winning sulk in a feature called....who's the sorest looooooser.

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39 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

countries signed the UN 2030 strategy. I think the UK signed it in 2015.

i will knock myself out. check hm gov site about UN 2030

Could you explain what un2030 is and why you think it is bad?

A quick google reveals it to be about eradicating global poverty.

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25 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Nothing's been explicitly banned but with society being ever more polarised in to rather ridiculous extremes there's a definite trend towards shutting out anyone daring to not think in the approved manner with the approved opinions, because anyone who doesn't is an obnoxious idiot who shouldn't be expressing their opinions, and it's fine to call them that. We have a society built on tolerance - and we can't tolerate those horrible people who threaten that by not agreeing with us.

There's no definite loss of freedom of speech but their is a more subtle, insidious threat there.

I have a pretty low opinion of Trump but it's not hard to understand how him and his ilk have exploited the result of the more mainstream closing ranks in deciding what is an is not an acceptable opinion to hold, and then go on to use that to tar anyone with the same brush.

But should we have completely free speech? Are the people who worry banning Trump is dangerous also campaigning against long existing restrictions on speech? If not, what is the correct level of restrictions?

Also, are people being banned for holding unacceptable opinions? I think they were being banned for (or at least, I think this is a good reason to ban them) the unacceptable presentation of questionable opinions. I think it would be OK to make a sensible argument about how it's possible there was fraud and recounts or audits may reveal this to be the case, but it's not OK to simply keep asserting there was fraud based on lies about poll watchers, turnout etc.

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Just now, mrlegend123 said:

if you have googled it, you know all about it and do not require me to explain.....

So eradicating global poverty.....seems like a noble aspiration. Why do you think it's bad?

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6 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

So eradicating global poverty.....seems like a noble aspiration. Why do you think it's bad?

Eradicating global poverty is good but potential corporate capitalism and communism is bad. To achieve the goals, there must be a global reset of some sort..... 

MMT and the use of UBI? interest rates no longer used instead inflation controlled by tax 

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7 minutes ago, Young Turk said:

But should we have completely free speech? Are the people who worry banning Trump is dangerous also campaigning against long existing restrictions on speech? If not, what is the correct level of restrictions?

Also, are people being banned for holding unacceptable opinions? I think they were being banned for (or at least, I think this is a good reason to ban them) the unacceptable presentation of questionable opinions. I think it would be OK to make a sensible argument about how it's possible there was fraud and recounts or audits may reveal this to be the case, but it's not OK to simply keep asserting there was fraud based on lies about poll watchers, turnout etc.

Personally I don't think that anyone is being banned for holding truly unacceptable opinions, as in outright banned. But there's a hell of a lot of "if you don't think exactly the way we think you should then your opinions are unacceptable, and you'll be ostracised because you're clearly scum. The outcome isn't as severe but the mentality appears very similar to typical religious intolerance. And I say this about some people even with opinions that I agree with. Then they get lumped in together with the real outright loonies and the whole lot treated the same. It's brainlessly over-simplified and polarising.

My take on Trump is that he should be allowed to say what he likes, and his nonsense dismissed for what it is. But what we shouldn't do is take sides to an extreme degree, saying that all on one side is right and should not be questioned and all on the other is bad. And neither does saying that mean that the two are equal either. We've seen it with issues like Brexit - it's become pretty much acceptable to have the prejudice that anyone who voted Leave is a racists and xenophobe and a badly-educated idiot who worships Farage. Some are. And the more it's seen as acceptable to have that position the better the chance of the truly nasty elements gaining power due to being the most visible ones rejecting it (I can't stand Farage and I voted Leave).

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2 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

Eradicating global poverty is good but potential corporate capitalism and communism is bad. To achieve the goals, there must be a global reset of some sort..... 

MMT and the use of UBI? interest rates no longer used instead inflation controlled by tax 

Evolution, not revolution is needed. A global reset sounds more like the latter. Revolutions too often appear in response to genuine problems but collapse everything down, leaving those best positioned to exploit them standing on top of the rubble.

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55 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

countries signed the UN 2030 strategy. I think the UK signed it in 2015.

i will knock myself out. check hm gov site about UN 2030

It's the most recent iteration of the UN's Sustainable Development program originally drawn up at the Earth Summit in 1992.

It was signed by every UN member state in 2015.

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2 hours ago, mrlegend123 said:

Big tech and MSM have destroyed democracy.....freedom of speech in the process of being destroyed. 

how does the person on the street fight back and implement change when being silenced by the elite? 

But... but.... but... You've just posted this drivel! Admittedly we've laughed at you, but you haven't been censored?

How do you think this whole 'Storm the Capitol' shebang was organised?

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2 minutes ago, AThirdWay said:

But... but.... but... You've just posted this drivel! Admittedly we've laughed at you, but you haven't been censored?

How do you think this whole 'Storm the Capitol' shebang was organised?

I laugh at you cos your blind to the truth. history books don't lie.....

ask the Mods to censor me! 

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21 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

Eradicating global poverty is good but potential corporate capitalism and communism is bad. To achieve the goals, there must be a global reset of some sort..... 

MMT and the use of UBI? interest rates no longer used instead inflation controlled by tax 

"Potential corporate capitalism and communism is bad". And there you have the lunacy in a nutshell!

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5 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

I laugh at you cos your blind to the truth. history books don't lie.....

ask the Mods to censor me! 

Yeeesss, but I haven't asked the mods to censor you, have I?

So, tell me which history books point out the downside of banning a riot-inciting racist from Twitter and Facebook. Surely history tells us that giving the oxygen of publicity to such as these is extremely dangerous?

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1 minute ago, AThirdWay said:

"Potential corporate capitalism and communism is bad". And there you have the lunacy in a nutshell!

OK what has been happening in this current system? The system is heading towards the plughole. look at QE, low interest rates, falling bond yields, selling of gold by countries to keep the price of gold down and banks rigging the price of gold. High equity and house prices due to policies. 

We once feared communism....history doesnt lie. 

you must be mad if you think the system will go back to normal....... 

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3 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

OK what has been happening in this current system? The system is heading towards the plughole. look at QE, low interest rates, falling bond yields, selling of gold by countries to keep the price of gold down and banks rigging the price of gold. High equity and house prices due to policies. 

We once feared communism....history doesnt lie. 

you must be mad if you think the system will go back to normal....... 

An argument can be made for one or t'other, not both.

Edit: and what is normal? How do you define that? The norm 200 years ago is incomparable to the norm today. Christ, the norm in 77/78 when I left school is nothing like the norm now, but the country was a financial basket case then as well...

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Just now, mrlegend123 said:

OK what has been happening in this current system? The system is heading towards the plughole. look at QE, low interest rates, falling bond yields, selling of gold by countries to keep the price of gold down and banks rigging the price of gold. High equity and house prices due to policies. 

We once feared communism....history doesnt lie. 

you must be mad if you think the system will go back to normal....... 

Industrial civilisation would have ended in September 2008 when Lehman Brothers closed its doors for the last time were it not for the co-ordinated efforts of the world's treasuries and central banks.

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3 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Industrial civilisation would have ended in September 2008 when Lehman Brothers closed its doors for the last time were it not for the co-ordinated efforts of the world's treasuries and central banks.

efforts of the CBs.... lower IRs and print money. the tools which no longer work. end game when IRs go negative.....

bond market dead

housing market out of reach of most first time buyers 

baby boomers policies stole the future of next generations by reducing their living standards

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6 minutes ago, mrlegend123 said:

efforts of the CBs.... lower IRs and print money. the tools which no longer work. end game when IRs go negative.....

bond market dead

housing market out of reach of most first time buyers 

baby boomers policies stole the future of next generations by reducing their living standards

And you thought trump was the answer to this?

Did you support Sanders for the Dem nomination? What about Corbyn, you a fan?

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