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They won't accept it. They won't accept it because fat Orange fck face won't . They'll lick his fat orange ars* and die for him. 

They are completely waco. 

Very true.

Unfortunately it applies to vast swathes of people on both sides of the fence. If the result had gone the other way there would be large numbers refusing to accept that. This is the real threat to democracy, the norm of refusing to accept results you don't like - Trump supporters here, Scots who didn't like losing the independence referendum, Remainers who refuse to accept the Brexit result - it's become normal to reject results that don't go the way you want them to.

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Looks like Trump will be the first modern World leader not to get the D.B.E (Delayed Brown Envelope) after leaving office. 

Trump faces bankruptcy and multiple lawsuits. He could be the only Commander and Chief to be poorer after he leaves office.

 

I've always believed that you can judge the corruption level buy counting the D.B.E's

 

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Looks like Trump will be the first modern President or Prime Minister not to get the D.B.E (Delayed Brown Envelope) after leaving office. 

Trump faces bankruptcy and multiple lawsuits. He could be the only world leader to be poorer after he leaves office.

 

I'm have always believed that you can judge the corruption level buy counting the D.B.E's

 

Gordon Brown. Dour at the dispatch box and in real life. Gives his speech proceeds to charity and even refused to take his entitlement to a prime minister pension. 

Not quite the $3billion Trump Bling.

 

As for Trump being poorer - would be huge corruption if he wasn't. Most hotel owners have seen their value plummet 50%+ this year - those leveraged like he is more like 75%+

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Very true.

Unfortunately it applies to vast swathes of people on both sides of the fence. If the result had gone the other way there would be large numbers refusing to accept that. This is the real threat to democracy, the norm of refusing to accept results you don't like - Trump supporters here, Scots who didn't like losing the independence referendum, Remainers who refuse to accept the Brexit result - it's become normal to reject results that don't go the way you want them to.

Flat earthers, anti vaxxers...now some Trump supporters.

All examples of the phenomenon 

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The raids mentioned earlier where the military seizing servers in Germany which showed Trump 410 vs Biden 128 Actual Electoral Votes.

Skytl, Dominion, Smartmatic. Same electronic voting infrastructure used in Venezuela and other places.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/06/21/opinion/columnists/never-again-to-smartmatic/269238/

Some ask why now? One theory I've been given is that Obama pardoned a lot of people before he left office (many more than Trump has) so they had to do something criminal again, such as election fraud. There was a new law made in 2018 regarding foreign interference of US elections (pretty ironic as the Dems were accusing Trump of foreign election collusion for years).

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Very true.

Unfortunately it applies to vast swathes of people on both sides of the fence. If the result had gone the other way there would be large numbers refusing to accept that. This is the real threat to democracy, the norm of refusing to accept results you don't like - Trump supporters here, Scots who didn't like losing the independence referendum, Remainers who refuse to accept the Brexit result - it's become normal to reject results that don't go the way you want them to.

I don't think you can compare. Biden was an alternative choice to Trump.

'Not in the EU' is not really an alternative choice to the deal we had with the EU. Had an alternative deal been on the menu and had won the referendum then I suspect most all remainers would have accepted the result.

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Gordon Brown. Dour at the dispatch box and in real life. Gives his speech proceeds to charity and even refused to take his entitlement to a prime minister pension. 

Not quite the $3billion Trump Bling.

 

 

Well done Mr Brown.

 

Tony Blair?

Blair's financial assets are structured in a complicated manner, and as such estimates of their extent vary widely.[239] These include figures of up to £100 million. Blair stated in 2014 that he was worth "less than £20 million".[240] A 2015 assertion, by Francis Beckett, David Hencke and Nick Kochan, concluded that Blair had acquired $90 million and a property portfolio worth $37.5 million in the eight years since he had left office.[241]

 

Bill Clinton?

The Clintons incurred several million dollars in legal bills during his presidency, which were paid off four years after he left office.[321] Bill and Hillary Clinton have each earned millions of dollars from book publishing.[322] In 2016, Forbes reported Bill and Hillary Clinton made about $240 million in the 15 years from January 2001, to December 2015, (mostly from paid speeches, business consulting and book-writing).[323] Also in 2016, CNN reported the Clintons combined to receive more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until spring 2015.[324] In May 2015, The Hill reported that Bill and Hillary Clinton have made more than $25 million in speaking fees since the start of 2014, and that Hillary Clinton also made $5 million or more from her book, Hard Choices, during the same time period.[325] In July 2014, The Wall Street Journal reported that at the end of 2012, the Clintons were worth between $5 million and $25.5 million, and that in 2012 (the last year they were required to disclose the information) the Clintons made between $16 and $17 million, mostly from speaking fees earned by the former president.[326] Clinton earned more than $104 million from paid speeches between 2001 and 2012.[327] In June 2014, ABC News and The Washington Post reported that Bill Clinton has made more than $100 million giving paid speeches since leaving public office, and in 2008, The New York Times reported that the Clintons' income tax returns[328] show they made $109 million in the eight years from January 1, 2000, to December 31, 2007, including almost $92 million from his speaking and book-writing.[322][329][330][331]

Bill Clinton has given dozens of paid speeches each year since leaving office in 2001, mostly to corporations and philanthropic groups in North America and Europe; he often earned $100,000 to $300,000 per speech.[324][332][333][334] Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin paid Bill Clinton $500,000 for a speech in Moscow.[335][336] Hillary Clinton said she and Bill came out of the White House financially "broke" and in debt, especially due to large legal fees incurred during their years in the White House. "We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea's education." She added, "Bill has worked really hard ... we had to pay off all our debts ... he had to make double the money because of, obviously, taxes; and then pay off the debts, and get us houses, and take care of family members."[330]

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The raids mentioned earlier where the military seizing servers in Germany which showed Trump 410 vs Biden 128 Actual Electoral Votes.

Skytl, Dominion, Smartmatic. Same electronic voting infrastructure used in Venezuela and other places.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/06/21/opinion/columnists/never-again-to-smartmatic/269238/

Some ask why now? One theory I've been given is that Obama pardoned a lot of people before he left office (many more than Trump has) so they had to do something criminal again, such as election fraud. There was a new law made in 2018 regarding foreign interference of US elections (pretty ironic as the Dems were accusing Trump of foreign election collusion for years).

Let's see what your old buddy is up to...

 

Yep still losing:

 

Rudy Giuliani says he plans is ready to LOSE election lawsuits in hope they end up in front of the Supreme Court - as latest Donald Trump lawyer revealed as radio host who says president has lost

  • 'We're prepared in some of these cases to lose and to appeal and to get it to the Supreme Court,' Giuliani said Tuesday
  • Several lawyers have already withdrawn under pressure from Trump's case
  • The Trump campaign retained lawyer Marc Scaringi, who also has a radio show
  • Scaringi said there are no 'bombshells' that will 'derail a Biden presidency'
  • President Trump has claimed the election was 'rigged' without providing evidence of his claim of widespread voting fraud 
  • Conservatives hold a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court 
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The raids mentioned earlier where the military seizing servers in Germany which showed Trump 410 vs Biden 128 Actual Electoral Votes.

Skytl, Dominion, Smartmatic. Same electronic voting infrastructure used in Venezuela and other places.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/06/21/opinion/columnists/never-again-to-smartmatic/269238/

Some ask why now? One theory I've been given is that Obama pardoned a lot of people before he left office (many more than Trump has) so they had to do something criminal again, such as election fraud. There was a new law made in 2018 regarding foreign interference of US elections (pretty ironic as the Dems were accusing Trump of foreign election collusion for years).

So have they given up looking for voter fraud now, they're blaming it on the Rise of the Machines?

I've never understood, if they were going to fix the voting machines, why make it such a tight margin? Why not give Biden 60%+ of the vote share?

Also, aren't these machines for voting in person? trump won most of the in-person voting tallies, are you arguing that there was a problem with that vote? Should we discount all in-person voting?

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So have they given up looking for voter fraud now, they're blaming it on the Rise of the Machines?

No. Some of the cases were not brought up by Trump. Journalists also hadn't read all the pages of entire cases either. If you mean the voting machines, that's just part of it.

 

Bill Clinton.

Clinton foundation tied with lots of things, such as the digital voting company.

https://www.worldtribune.com/dominion-voting-systems-tied-to-clintons-widely-used-in-battleground-states/

 

 

Let's see what your old buddy is up to...

Yep still losing:

Rudy Giuliani says he plans is ready to LOSE election lawsuits in hope they end up in front of the Supreme Court - as latest Donald Trump lawyer revealed as radio host who says president has lost

  • 'We're prepared in some of these cases to lose and to appeal and to get it to the Supreme Court,' Giuliani said Tuesday
  • Several lawyers have already withdrawn under pressure from Trump's case
  • The Trump campaign retained lawyer Marc Scaringi, who also has a radio show
  • Scaringi said there are no 'bombshells' that will 'derail a Biden presidency'
  • President Trump has claimed the election was 'rigged' without providing evidence of his claim of widespread voting fraud 
  • Conservatives hold a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court 

OK, so where did you get this please?

In other news the horrible nazi racist sexist party of the Republicans just got another non-white female in the house, shocker.

https://www.worldtribune.com/republicans-continue-to-gain-in-the-house-with-wins-by-two-korean-american-women-in-california/

 

Turns out the guy that Chunketh sympathized with earlier who sucker punched a Trump supporter is a registered sex offender.

https://thepostmillennial.com/blm-activist-filmed-sucker-punching-man-in-viral-video-was-recently-released-from-prison

Many of them are, including the pistol brandishing man that Karl R. shot in Kenosha.

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Looks like Trump will be the first modern World leader not to get the D.B.E (Delayed Brown Envelope) after leaving office. 

Trump faces bankruptcy and multiple lawsuits. He could be the only Commander and Chief to be poorer after he leaves office.

Is he going to be poorer than he would have been if he had never entered politics? 

How has being President made him poorer? It's made him richer in some ways. He has increased revenue as people visit his hotels and golf courses to get access or gain favour. 

Why is Trump facing lawsuits? I thought some of them related to things he did before entering politics. What about lawsuits relating to his time in office? If there is any merit to such lawsuits, wouldn't that imply he was corrupt? If any other President were nearly as corrupt, wouldn't they have faced multiple lawsuits?

 

I've always believed that you can judge the corruption level buy counting the D.B.E's

What has the delay got to do with it?

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Texas rejected Dominion voting systems multiple times due to their vulnerabilities. One of the board of directors for Smartmatic voting systems is also on the Biden team lol. If that's not dodgy enough for you then god help you. If a director for a voting machine company was on the same team as Trump you'd be mental and you know it.

 

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'We're prepared in some of these cases to lose and to appeal and to get it to the Supreme Court,' Giuliani said Tuesday

By the way Rudy Giuiliani is the one who took down the Mafia bosses. There's a Netflix about it.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/on-demand/2020-07-22/rudy-giuliani-fear-city-netflix-donald-trump-documentary/

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Texas rejected Dominion voting systems multiple times due to their vulnerabilities. One of the board of directors for Smartmatic voting systems is also on the Biden team lol. If that's not dodgy enough for you then god help you. If a director for a voting machine company was on the same team as Trump you'd be mental and you know it.

 

"How are you going to prove this?"

"well... I've got lots of ways to prove this but I'm not going to tell on national TV"...

@Arpeggio Now you're definitely winding us up 🤣

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"How are you going to prove this?"

"well... I've got lots of ways to prove this but I'm not going to tell on national TV"...

@Arpeggio Now you're definitely winding us up 🤣

I absolutely knew that would be your reaction to that bit. Given that sometimes details are even not given after court proceedings (sometimes justly sometimes not) it looks like you don't know how this works.

High ranking military officer one this one:

 

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Well done Mr Brown.

 

Tony Blair?

Blair's financial assets are structured in a complicated manner, and as such estimates of their extent vary widely.[239] These include figures of up to £100 million. Blair stated in 2014 that he was worth "less than £20 million".[240] A 2015 assertion, by Francis Beckett, David Hencke and Nick Kochan, concluded that Blair had acquired $90 million and a property portfolio worth $37.5 million in the eight years since he had left office.[241]

 

Bill Clinton?

The Clintons incurred several million dollars in legal bills during his presidency, which were paid off four years after he left office.[321] Bill and Hillary Clinton have each earned millions of dollars from book publishing.[322] In 2016, Forbes reported Bill and Hillary Clinton made about $240 million in the 15 years from January 2001, to December 2015, (mostly from paid speeches, business consulting and book-writing).[323] Also in 2016, CNN reported the Clintons combined to receive more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until spring 2015.[324] In May 2015, The Hill reported that Bill and Hillary Clinton have made more than $25 million in speaking fees since the start of 2014, and that Hillary Clinton also made $5 million or more from her book, Hard Choices, during the same time period.[325] In July 2014, The Wall Street Journal reported that at the end of 2012, the Clintons were worth between $5 million and $25.5 million, and that in 2012 (the last year they were required to disclose the information) the Clintons made between $16 and $17 million, mostly from speaking fees earned by the former president.[326] Clinton earned more than $104 million from paid speeches between 2001 and 2012.[327] In June 2014, ABC News and The Washington Post reported that Bill Clinton has made more than $100 million giving paid speeches since leaving public office, and in 2008, The New York Times reported that the Clintons' income tax returns[328] show they made $109 million in the eight years from January 1, 2000, to December 31, 2007, including almost $92 million from his speaking and book-writing.[322][329][330][331]

Bill Clinton has given dozens of paid speeches each year since leaving office in 2001, mostly to corporations and philanthropic groups in North America and Europe; he often earned $100,000 to $300,000 per speech.[324][332][333][334] Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin paid Bill Clinton $500,000 for a speech in Moscow.[335][336] Hillary Clinton said she and Bill came out of the White House financially "broke" and in debt, especially due to large legal fees incurred during their years in the White House. "We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea's education." She added, "Bill has worked really hard ... we had to pay off all our debts ... he had to make double the money because of, obviously, taxes; and then pay off the debts, and get us houses, and take care of family members."[330]

Hardly corruption 

If Blair was corrupt he wouldn't have been messing around with BTL

Clinton was a star turn that could pretty much name his price for speaking engagements.

Given that they are paid next to nothing while in office I have no problem with ex PM and Ministers earning money after leaving office speaking engagements, book deals etc.  The alternative would be to pay then at say the average rate for FTSE 100 CEO/Directors but would the voters stomach that.

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Also, aren't these machines for voting in person? trump won most of the in-person voting tallies, are you arguing that there was a problem with that vote? Should we discount all in-person voting?

I've seen claims that the proportion of mail in ballots rejected is lower than in 2016. Perhaps machines check mail in ballots. I don't know if the claims are true, but did think it might be reasonable to the proportion rejected to change significantly as the number voting this way changed. It seems unlikely it's a real issue, otherwise someone without an agenda would probably have raised it.

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Gordon Brown. Dour at the dispatch box and in real life. Gives his speech proceeds to charity and even refused to take his entitlement to a prime minister pension. 

Not quite the $3billion Trump Bling.

 

As for Trump being poorer - would be huge corruption if he wasn't. Most hotel owners have seen their value plummet 50%+ this year - those leveraged like he is more like 75%+

But he did habitually bring 100s of government officials to Mar-a Lago and hike the prices for them so he must have done ok ;)

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I absolutely knew that would be your reaction to that bit. Given that sometimes details are even not given after court proceedings (sometimes justly sometimes not) it looks like you don't know how this works.

High ranking military officer one this one:

 

Not that weird robotic woman again.

The suggestion sounds a little implausible, to be honest. That the people running the software would proudly describe to a high-ranking US american official about how their software could be so easily manipulated to swing the vote for someone, and then have him watch while they changed the vote in favour of Chavez, a major enemy of the US. The system also seems to have apparently been designed with so few controls that lots of people could easily manipulate the vote and move votes from one candidate to another.

Not only did they design a totally flawed and easy to manipulate system, but they were totally open about it with virtual strangers. This does not seem credible.

The senior military official is unnamed of course.

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And the vested interests motivating the Dettol Man's empty protestations?

Big Oil, of course!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/17/oil-gas-trump-election-climate-coup-republicans-fossil-fuel

The world is in the midst of an epochal shift as great as the Industrial Revolution in the 19th century, which led to wider enfranchisement and condemned many feudal monarchies to the dustbin of history. Today the ancien regime is big carbon, predominantly run by white, male elites, which has dominated global politics ever since – largely through their funding of political parties, particularly but by no means exclusively the US Republicans.

Trump’s presidency was made possible by the rise of a far-right wing in the Republican party characterised by white supremacist messaging and fossil-fuel funding. Oil and gas companies, led by Energy Transfer Equity, Koch Industries and Chevron, give about 80% of their political donations to Republican and conservative candidates. The biggest beneficiary by far is Donald Trump, who directly received more than $2m from this sector in the past year, not including money funnelled through secretive political action committees.

High on the list are other supporters of his attempt to overturn the ballot box in the courtroom, such as Mitch McConnell, with $490,000, and Graham, with $143,000.

 

 

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The raids mentioned earlier where the military seizing servers in Germany which showed Trump 410 vs Biden 128 Actual Electoral Votes.

Skytl, Dominion, Smartmatic. Same electronic voting infrastructure used in Venezuela and other places.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/06/21/opinion/columnists/never-again-to-smartmatic/269238/

Some ask why now? One theory I've been given is that Obama pardoned a lot of people before he left office (many more than Trump has) so they had to do something criminal again, such as election fraud. There was a new law made in 2018 regarding foreign interference of US elections (pretty ironic as the Dems were accusing Trump of foreign election collusion for years).

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Not that weird robotic woman again.

The suggestion sounds a little implausible, to be honest. That the people running the software would proudly describe to a high-ranking US american official about how their software could be so easily manipulated to swing the vote for someone, and then have him watch while they changed the vote in favour of Chavez, a major enemy of the US. The system also seems to have apparently been designed with so few controls that lots of people could easily manipulate the vote and move votes from one candidate to another.

Not only did they design a totally flawed and easy to manipulate system, but they were totally open about it with virtual strangers. This does not seem credible.

The senior military official is unnamed of course.

He clearly has no knowledge of anything to do with IT or software so probably cannot understand how ridiculous his assertions are to anyone who does.

As for him having a PhD pull the other one, his inability to rationally analyse information make me doubts he could have achieved more than a couple of low grade A levels.   

 

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