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In the UK , unless a purpose built area like Milton Keynes, with cycleways everywhere, you probably increase your chance of an early death by 1000% doing all your transport by bike. No thanks. Lesiure only, away from cars and lorries.

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I remember my Dad spending £200 on a car once. A ford Cortina. Mum had a go at him when he got home for spending so much. Must have been mid eighties.  Irrelevant but the memory just popped into my head so I thought I'd share. 

For short commutes around towns or cities I can absolutely recommend an electric bicycle. I used to do my 5 mile commute across town faster than I could in the car. It was more enjoyable too. It's only the cold, wind and rain in the winter that spoils it.

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But the lights are going out on this kind of lifestyle.  Country people should really be shopping in the village, rather than driving in a sh1tbox to an out of town retail park relic.

In what shops? Sure, I live out of town and can walk to the shops - but that's only because the local Tesco happens to be five minute's walk away. Then there's the issue with bulky or heavy items. A car or two shared per street might very well be enough but good luck working out the practicalities of that.

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Introducing the mamachari.

http://www.tokyobybike.com/2009/06/introducing-mamachari.html

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The mamachari is a cultural icon, it's the Japanese equivalent of the family station wagon. Its the family workhorse used on shopping runs, for riding to the local station, taking the kids to school or picking them up from sports practice. Without it families around the country would be in a right pickle.

The defining features include, a top tube bent low that is easy to step over, a shopping basket on the front, a luggage rack on the back, mudguards, chain guards, dynamo lights, an integrated lock, a bell and a hefty rear stand that keeps the bike stable and upright when parked.

Oh, I forgot, one of the most defining features of the mamachari which is brakes that go "SCREEEEEEEEEEEECH!" when even slightly feathered, startling everyone within earshot.

After purchasing a mamachari, the upgrade of choice is a child seat. These can be mounted on the rear luggage rack or behind/between/in front of the handlebars. It's not unusual for a mamachari to sport two child seats, and on occasion you'll spot one with three! When the government implemented a ban recently on carrying two children on a mamachari mothers across Japan campaigned against the ruling and the government was forced to back down.

Usually priced between Y10,000 and Y20,000 mamachari are essentially considered a disposable item. They're regularly left exposed to the elements for long periods of time, and for the most part are poorly maintained, even putting air in the tires seems a chore. Most people would throw a mamachari away or abandon it after years of neglect rather than undertaking simple preventative maintenance to extend the bikes useful life.

When buying a bicycle most Japanese don't consider anything other than a mamachari and initially I found this odd because when I think of bicycles I think recreation, mountain biking, commuting, racing, or for getting air off the top of a set of stairs. But in Japan I realized I'm in the minority, as even your average Japanese male purchases a bike for its utility, for making short trips to the station with a briefcase in the basket and carrying groceries home from the supermarket etc.

In a country of 130 million people 85% own a bicycle. Who'd have guessed that the majority use their bikes for practical purposes rather than jumping gaps?

All true. For the majority of the year though, Japan has less rain than we do.

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In the UK , unless a purpose built area like Milton Keynes, with cycleways everywhere, you probably increase your chance of an early death by 1000% doing all your transport by bike. No thanks. Lesiure only, away from cars and lorries.

Depends on your attitude, I grew up cycling on the road to school every day, I think the road is much safer than cycleways. You either keep up with the traffic or get out of the way...

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Yep, 70% Tesla, 10% VW, and a few others.

Tepsa will be gone in 5 years time. Will have either been bought by one of the big car buyers or bust. There cars are badly built, unreliable and unprofitable. All that is propping Tesla up at the moment is EV credits the big manufacturers have to pay to meet EV targets from governments. As other manufacturers sell more EVs the stream of income from the credits is gone. 

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Tepsa will be gone in 5 years time. Will have either been bought by one of the big car buyers or bust. There cars are badly built, unreliable and unprofitable. All that is propping Tesla up at the moment is EV credits the big manufacturers have to pay to meet EV targets from governments. As other manufacturers sell more EVs the stream of income from the credits is gone. 

The big manufacturers are going to be in trouble as well, and actually they already are. What happens when the likes of the Ford and Vauxhall are trying to punt their mediocre EV small hatchbacks for 30k+ and there are no buyers because it's much more affordable to just get an Uber? The fact is that cars are just getting too expensive for the average  man or woman in the street to be viable. Tesla aren't in the mediocre market so why would they struggle and not the big manufacturers who business models of flogging run of the mill cars to the masses is drawing to an end?

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I presume the OP doesn't live in a rural area with if they are lucky one bus service a day.

Talking about getting rid of cars when you are in your 20s and live in Camden or Hackney or Islington - where I wouldn't be surprised most of the civil servants and TfL employees developing these plans - live is fine. But not everywhere has a tube service every two minutes or a night bus every 5. The elderly, disabled, families need access to cars to access services and healhcare etc

And while cycling is lovely in July - not so pleasant on a dark cold snowy morning in January.  Same with walking - nice in June not so much in February.

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This kind of reminds me of that show on bbc1 in the mornings rip of britain. This week they had a amateur property developer on who fancied a new bmw x3 so took out a pcp loan for the 40k car. Turned out she hit hard times and handed the car back to the dealer not realising the finance actually own the car LOL who happens to go bust owing 100ks in debt and took her car too.

How stupid can these people be ?? Property developer really ?

Her mother bailed her out for the finance still owing.

 

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Yeah I take your point, for many who live in the county, personal transport is essential, but we have millions of people in the UK who drive 1 mile on the school run and another mile to go shopping and are paying thousands per year to do this.

Maybe they don't care and if that is the case, then good luck to them.

So why are the kids not walking the mile to school?

If live in a town close to transport hubs, shops close by, work close by available to get to easily by bus, tube or train no car required......more that there are no places to park at home or destination, or cost to drive and park is prohibitive.

For many people their car is their freedom, get in it and can go anywhere at any time.....comfort and sounds, own space, own creative individuality........for those who do not own a home particularly, their auto is who they are, their identity.....

A car is more than something that gets you from a to b it is an outlet and a security.....

Who would want to rent a car regularly, owner occupied cars are not going anywhere.....we all love our cars, that is why we keep buying and wanting to drive them.;)

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for those who do not own a home particularly, their auto is who they are, their identity.....

A car is more than something that gets you from a to b it is an outlet and a security.....

Who would want to rent a car regularly, owner occupied cars are not going anywhere.....we all love our cars, that is why we keep buying and wanting to drive them.;)

Some people attempt to use their car as some sort of status symbol (predominantly because they're shallow). This may have made an impression 40 or so years ago, not these days when anyone can have anything they want, apart from what they really want, an affordable house. 

Also, modern cars are utterly dull and boring. They all look the same. The colours are flat and lifeless. If someone loves their car that much, i'd say they're probably a boring person who, as has already been inferred, has nothing else and nothing to look forward to. Same thing could be said about people, usually men who regularly watch porn. They can't get a fit girl, so resort to porn or prostitutes. But in the real world are still a pathetic loser regardless.

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Some people attempt to use their car as some sort of status symbol (predominantly because they're shallow). This may have made an impression 40 or so years ago, not these days when anyone can have anything they want, apart from what they really want, an affordable house. 

Also, modern cars are utterly dull and boring. They all look the same. The colours are flat and lifeless. If someone loves their car that much, i'd say they're probably a boring person who, as has already been inferred, has nothing else and nothing to look forward to. Same thing could be said about people, usually men who regularly watch porn. They can't get a fit girl, so resort to porn or prostitutes. But in the real world are still a pathetic loser regardless.

I take it you do not own a car, nothing wrong with that, but there are plenty of people from all walks of life who do value their cars and enjoy driving them, many would be lost without them.

Agree that cars built today are often dull and boring, much of a muchness, although can be personalised....not  for those on PCP who do not own, no wallpaper, stickers or pictures on walls please.;)

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Also, modern cars are utterly dull and boring. They all look the same. The colours are flat and lifeless. If someone loves their car that much, i'd say they're probably a boring person who, as has already been inferred, has nothing else and nothing to look forward to.

I completely agree with you about modern cars (except maybe on the colour, I've never been keen on gaudy). But that still doesn't make driving utterly unappealing, although we've also done our best there. But the point is having a car might be a status symbol for some, but it doesn't have to be for lots and where it isn't it isn't necessarily something that's a PITA either.

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Tepsa will be gone in 5 years time. Will have either been bought by one of the big car buyers or bust. There cars are badly built, unreliable and unprofitable. All that is propping Tesla up at the moment is EV credits the big manufacturers have to pay to meet EV targets from governments. As other manufacturers sell more EVs the stream of income from the credits is gone. 

Lol. Like you know nothing on Bitcoin, you know nothing about Tesla. Both will be worth a heck of a lot more in 10 years. For a start, there is no bigger car company than Tesla, the are the most valuable car Company by Market cap. They could buy BMW next week if they wished, without having to go to the markets. but they 0 interest in legacy ICE cars. 

Rather than listening to some dumb black guy who is wrong in his short positions 8/10 times, i will listen to someone who knows about the car industry and engineering. 

 

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I think its premature to say the car industry is dead. I wouldn't even say the industry is in decline (globally speaking). There's still huge growth markets in Asia and Africa.

Its true young people struggle to afford a car but if you're in a rural area or where there are poor transport links, you need a car. Apart from London and the south east, the public transport isn't great in the UK. 

In regards to hire purchase, I'm undecided on this as in some cases its worth it if you can get a car every 3 years, if you have a company car allowance, this is a perfect arrangement. In other cases its probably not worth it but the monthly payment for goods for paying things off seems to be where we are going in the future.

For myself personally I got my first car when I was 17 an old Ford Fiesta, got it for around 3.5k and used it for a good 18 months and sold it for 3k once I was at uni. Never needed a car since uni and then moving down to London a car wasn't necessary. Having said that since I moved in with my sister I have been driving her car occasionally when I need to.

 

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Great car that ID.R. built for one purpose, to go as fast as possible, and win the overall Pikes Peak hill climb title, which it did. Another leccy car will be built to break its record though, no doubt. 

However, the production car title for the same Pikes Peak climb is held by.................. A Tesla model 3.  Faster than Porsche, Ferrari, McClaren , or any other sports car brand you car to mention! 

 

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Great car that ID.R. built for one purpose, to go as fast as possible, and win the overall Pikes Peak hill climb title, which it did. Another leccy car will be built to break its record though, no doubt. 

However, the production car title for the same Pikes Peak climb is held by.................. A Tesla model 3.  Faster than Porsche, Ferrari, McClaren , or any other sports car brand you car to mention! 

 

You Are aware most of these electric cars will use generic motors and batteries?

Tesla has advanced with the self driving stuff but that won't  be mandatory for a long time. The safety stuff city brakes a d other systems have been out years already.

No brand is going down the pan that's a myth.

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