1000 Orange employees oppose 5G

[Arpeggio]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-18/dissent-at-heart-of-telecom-industry-undermines-france-s-5g-push

This source has no paywall:  https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/employees-at-frances-biggest-phone-company-undermine-countrys-5g-push/

The good news however, is that they are going to continue with it anyway, meaning you will eventually be able to download entire films while you walk in the street and watch them on your phone screen, all "on the fly" rather than do all that at home, and you can be better protected from future pandemics with governments and private corporations able to track you everywhere to within 2 metres.

"The French government, according to Bloomberg, has resisted calls to delay the auction of 5G frequencies set for Sept. 29 that will begin the national rollout. However, the four big phone carriers in France say they’ll bid at the auction. This process will commit them to installing 5G equipment at 10,500 sites by 2025."

Edited September 23, 2020 by Arpeggio

[oracle]

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-18/dissent-at-heart-of-telecom-industry-undermines-france-s-5g-push

This source has no paywall:  https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/employees-at-frances-biggest-phone-company-undermine-countrys-5g-push/

The good news however, is that they are going to continue with it anyway, meaning you will eventually be able to download entire films while you walk in the street and watch them on your phone screen, all "on the fly" rather than do all that at home, and you can be better protected from future pandemics with governments and private corporations able to track you everywhere to within 2 metres.

"The French government, according to Bloomberg, has resisted calls to delay the auction of 5G frequencies set for Sept. 29 that will begin the national rollout. However, the four big phone carriers in France say they’ll bid at the auction. This process will commit them to installing 5G equipment at 10,500 sites by 2025."

for the record(as an industry i'm familiar with)

there are 3 types of 5G.

sub 6GHz(COMMERCIAL TELECOM IN THE MAIN)

28GHz mm wave

39GHz mm wave

it's the last two people are worried about,as it stands the scope for these bands is very limited, the overwhelming majority of 5G will be at sub 6GHz.it's not completely safe, but far,far safer than mm wave....rest assured that the wifi and mobile manufacturers do actually safety test devices and infrastructure for emissions.......I know, I have been to one of the testing facilities(in a working capacity) that calculates SAR values for devices and seen it in action.

[Arpeggio]

 

it's the last two people are worried about,as it stands the scope for these bands is very limited, the overwhelming majority of 5G will be at sub 6GHz.

Given that 28GHz+ has shorter distance range and lack of ability to go through objects, what is its practical use if not needing to be closer to people?

Edited September 30, 2020 by Arpeggio

[oracle]

 

Given that 28GHz+ has shorter distance range and lack of ability to go through objects, what is its practical use if not needing to be closer to people?

ultimately when we get into the era of driverless cars etc, the amount of data that will be needed to keep an eye on them safety-wise is huge.Low frequency unfortunately doesn't cut it in this instance.It's a trade off, All this data has to be absolutely real time too, so you will get networks of roadside sensors ,and onboard in cars.

when you say objects, it tends to be stuff like metal and concrete structures that mmw has a problem with .all RF can go through human tissue,but there is an increased risk of cell ionisation the higher the frequency goes(as is the case with sunburn/cancer and UVA/UVB)

[Arpeggio]

 

ultimately when we get into the era of driverless cars etc, the amount of data that will be needed to keep an eye on them safety-wise is huge.Low frequency unfortunately doesn't cut it in this instance.It's a trade off, All this data has to be absolutely real time too, so you will get networks of roadside sensors ,and onboard in cars.

So you are saying that 28Ghz+ will need to be in closer proximity to driverless cars, which will have people in them, in order to be of use. It's a trade off between what?

Of course, anything that requires large data will need closer proximity to what it communicates with, given the lower distance range of higher frequencies. A coastal radar for ships I know of is about 700Mhz, which is significantly lower frequency but covers a much greater range.

 

 

when you say objects, it tends to be stuff like metal and concrete structures that mmw has a problem with .all RF can go through human tissue,

According to this, at 2:00, if you stand in between your 5G phone and a mast you can knock 150Mb+ of data off.

 

 

but there is an increased risk of cell ionisation the higher the frequency goes.

Yes, Ionisation removes the electrons from your molecules / atoms completely, which would be deadly in a fast way. Non-ionization just shakes your electrons about without removing them completely.

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Microwaves can kill influenza A viruses: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4673452/. This not by heating or by ionization. They are fractured when natural vibrational modes of their structure are excited, in resonance with the frequency of microwaves of a few GHz. How many of the sub-cellular structures of our bodies, which are on a similar scale to a virus and made of similar materials, have resonances at frequencies of a few Ghz, in the 5G range? Even if the sub-cellular structures and molecules are not entirely broken up, may not their effectiveness within the cell be impeded by heavy structural vibrations excited by microwaves?

[Arpeggio]

 

Microwaves can kill influenza A viruses: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4673452/. This not by heating or by ionization. They are fractured when natural vibrational modes of their structure are excited, in resonance with the frequency of microwaves of a few GHz.

I've no doubt microwaves affect a lot of different things as 1000+ studies have pointed to, and would have been surprised if viruses were not included too.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16962663/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15031956/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24012322/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25276320/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30881935/

 

 

How many of the sub-cellular structures of our bodies, which are on a similar scale to a virus and made of similar materials, have resonances at frequencies of a few Ghz, in the 5G range? Even if the sub-cellular structures and molecules are not entirely broken up, may not their effectiveness within the cell be impeded by heavy structural vibrations excited by microwaves?

Good question. There might be unknown dangers. Glad you opened up the door on this thread to the subject of frequencies in medicine, something that often gets abusive remarks with words like "Quackery"

https://www.teslabiohealing.com/pages/how-do-tesla-biohealing-beds-work

[Arpeggio]

Recent update on court case.

https://actionagainst5g.org/blog/case-update-october-15th-2020/

We have now written to the Government’s lawyers with information which we assert provides significant evidence that the roll out of 5G, on top of existing levels of RFR, is already causing physical harm.

We have provided the Government with case-specific scientific and medical evidence to support our claim, and have gathered witness testimony from people who have suffered serious adverse physical effects in areas where 5G is present.

We have also provided further submissions on the vast body of contemporaneous and emerging science which demonstrates that RFR is harmful to biological life and causes oxidative stress, which leads to risks to life, at much lower levels than those set by the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP).

ICNIRP is neither a reliable nor responsible body; its links to industry and lack of independence are clearly defined. For that reason alone it is wholly unreasonable for the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care to continue to rely on this private organisation.

The roll out of 5G, on top of the RFR which pervades throughout modern life comprising 2G, 3G, 4G, and Wi-Fi, is being pursued despite there having been no or no adequate tests on whether it is safe. We have reiterated our significant concerns that it is not safe and that the Government should halt any further roll out until it is demonstrated as causing no harm to biological life.

We have reminded them that it is unreasonable and a breach of human rights for any Government to continue with the 5G roll out in these circumstances, and await their response which is due on or before 28th October.

We are very thankful for all your messages of support and your donations. It would be helpful if you can continue to share news of the case using the link to the crowdjustice page and our website actionagainst5g.org, especially with those who are not yet aware of the harmful effects of radiation from mobile phones, 3G/4G/5G masts, and Wi-Fi routers.

[Mikhail Liebenstein]

 

So you are saying that 28Ghz+ will need to be in closer proximity to driverless cars, which will have people in them, in order to be of use. It's a trade off between what?

Of course, anything that requires large data will need closer proximity to what it communicates with, given the lower distance range of higher frequencies. A coastal radar for ships I know of is about 700Mhz, which is significantly lower frequency but covers a much greater range.

 

According to this, at 2:00, if you stand in between your 5G phone and a mast you can knock 150Mb+ of data off.

 

Yes, Ionisation removes the electrons from your molecules / atoms completely, which would be deadly in a fast way. Non-ionization just shakes your electrons about without removing them completely.

Yes, 5G is fast, but the range is pants.

Clearly troposcatter is better: https://www.raytheonintelligenceandspace.com/capabilities/products/troposcatter