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On 17/08/2020 at 23:21, Trampa501 said:

Good answer - but what will convince you that it's safe?

Good question.

Who do you trust? Your own nation's government? (New Zealand) An allied nation's government? (Australia) A neutral nation's government? (Switzerland or Denmark) A non-friendly nation's government? (Turkey or Russia?) An un-affiliated medical blogger who is not in the pockets of the pharmaceutical giants? 

Indeed. Who to choose? I'll go with my own nation, since I can rely on them for welfare if the vacine turns out to have side effects. On the other hand, I despise the NZ Labour government (elitist trust-fund babies that most of them are). 

I don't think that there will be an effective vacine. After all, you can't vacinate against the common cold.

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On 20/08/2020 at 06:35, Odakyu-sen said:

I don't think that there will be an effective vacine. After all, you can't vacinate against the common cold.

What's the common cold got to do with it? There are a large number of different viruses that cause colds, there isn't really the common cold. Vaccinating against one of them might be possible but colds aren't serious and there's still a high chance of catching a different one so it's not really worth the effort trying to develop a vaccine (and pumping you full of vaccines for every single one might not be a good idea).

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I heard that there has been the first recorded re-infection of Covid, albeit with a mutated strain, Covid-20? It looks like we will be going down the same route as the flu jab, safeguarding against the most common version of last years flu mutations.

Will there be mass-inoculations? I doubt it. Probably we'll go down the same route as the flu jab, targeting the vulnerable and letting the rest of us get on with it.

In answer to the op, probably wouldn't take it this year, but would give it serious thought going forward.

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

"But it made no mention of the fact the European Medicines Agency had licensed Pandemrix under “exceptional circumstances” based on “mock vaccines” that did not include the actual ingredients that would eventually be injected into people. The EMA confirmed this approach was “unique to pandemic preparedness vaccines”.

 

On 25/08/2020 at 10:59, AThirdWay said:

In answer to the op, probably wouldn't take it this year, but would give it serious thought going forward.

Please do! We need morons that believe everything they are told by the experts as a sort of "Food taster".

Although Bill and Mel have said they want to give it to healthcare workers and black people first how very nice of them, I mean wow they are so altruistic and caring.

Maybe you can do them a favour and Jump the queue?

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On 20/08/2020 at 06:35, Odakyu-sen said:

you can't vacinate against the common cold.

You probably could vaccinate against the common cold, the problem is that most colds are caused by rhinoviruses and there are about 200 immunologically distinct strains of rhinovirus circulating in the human population. Vaccinating against 200 different viruses simultaneously is technically challenging as you probably have to manufacture and test 200 different proteins, even the most multivalent of current vaccines only go up to single digit viruses (e.g. the latest version of Gardasil vaccinates against 9 papillomavirus strains). I think there probably will be a 200-valent rhinovirus vaccine one day but it will take some biotechnological effort to get there.

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I wonder what will be inside the vaccine? If vaccines have a weakened or dead form of the virus in them, how can PHE have no evidence of isolating a COVID19 virus according to FOI request?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/679566/response/1625332/attach/html/2/872 FOI All records describing isolation of SARS COV 2.pdf.html

Re: Documents held showing SARS-COV2 has been isolated and Causes COVID-19 
 
Thank you for your email dated 24 July 2020. In accordance with Section 1(1)(a) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act), I can confirm that Public Health 
England (PHE) does not hold the information you have specified.

 

Only gives short term protection, so there is no herd immunity

Precisely. This means people will have to have regular COVID19 vaccination, once or perhaps twice a year. This will go on indefinitely with lockdowns, masks and vaccines. There is no intention to exit, anyone can see from how they are saying the vaccine won't be the end of it. I understand that you very much support all of this.

It does make me wonder how long it can go on for like this until people start to wonder if there is possibly something not right or realize there is no end intended? 2 years? or will it just be a new world where everyone thinks that if we did not live in this way lots of people would die so we have to just keep like this as part of life.

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Probably not, if I did at least a year after a finalised version came into use.

probably wouldn’t be priority anyway at age 40. 

What are the chances of been able to mass produce enough vaccine to treat a whole population anyway? Every country will require it, By the time they got around to the lower risk groups the first lot would be losing their protection and need immunising again anyway. 

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