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This is going to be the next big thing. Imagine free internet access with your Amazon Prime membership.  The ISPs are going to be screwed. Virgin, BT, Sky, etc. will become obsolete virtually over night! 

Amazon to invest $10 bn in space-based internet system

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Washington (AFP) - Amazon says it will invest $10 billion for its planned space-based internet delivery system after winning US regulatory approval to deploy more than 3,000 low-orbit satellites.

The US tech giant said on Thursday it is moving forward with its Project Kuiper, one of several systems planned to bring internet to customers without land-based connections.

Project Kuiper aims to deliver satellite-based broadband services in the United States, and eventually around the world, and may offer connectively for wireless carriers and 5G networks.

Amazon offer no timetable for the project but said it would begin deployment of its 3,236 satellites after the Federal Communications Commission approved the project.

"We have heard so many stories lately about people who are unable to do their job or complete schoolwork because they don't have reliable internet at home," said Amazon senior vice president Dave Limp.

"There are still too many places where broadband access is unreliable or where it doesn't exist at all. Kuiper will change that. Our $10 billion investment will create jobs and infrastructure around the United States that will help us close this gap."

Project Kuiper seeks to deliver high-speed broadband service to places beyond the reach of traditional fiber or wireless networks, including disaster relief.

It will be aimed at individual households, as well as schools, hospitals, businesses and other organizations.

An Amazon statement said the project also aims to "deliver an affordable customer terminal that will make fast, reliable broadband accessible to communities around the world."

Kuiper is one of several projects to deliver internet from space begun over the past decades.

Elon Musk's SpaceX and British-based OneWeb, which filed for bankruptcy earlier this year, are working on similar projects.

https://news.yahoo.com/amazon-invest-10-bn-space-based-internet-system-143020830.html

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These systems don't have the bandwidth to handle massive connections in urban areas. It's more for rural areas with crappy Internet.

They can also be used to create fully self-contained cell towers in remote areas, with solar power to run them and satellite connection to the main phone and data networks.

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4 hours ago, MarkG said:

These systems don't have the bandwidth to handle massive connections in urban areas. It's more for rural areas with crappy Internet.

They can also be used to create fully self-contained cell towers in remote areas, with solar power to run them and satellite connection to the main phone and data networks.

5G changes that ... these satellites will be fast trust me. Once they become available the ISPs will be screwed.

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The satellites are fast, but the speed has to be split across however many users are using that satellite. 100Gbps doesn't look so good when it's split across a million users.

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On 31/07/2020 at 19:34, Warlord said:

This is going to be the next big thing. Imagine free internet access with your Amazon Prime membership.  The ISPs are going to be screwed. Virgin, BT, Sky, etc. will become obsolete virtually over night!

Microwaves use 2.4 Ghz at 1000 watts

Wifi uses 2.4 Ghz at 0.1 watts

4G tower 20 to 40 watts

5G tower I don't know but higher Radio Frequencies have shorter range (look it up), which implies a higher wattage needed.

Telecom satellite 2 kW to 20 kW

5G low orbit satellite I don't know, but higher Radio Frequencies have shorter range (look it up), which implies a higher wattage needed.

https://www.technocracy.news/5g-from-space-20000-satellites-to-blanket-the-earth/

20,000+ satellites launched with rocket fuel burning the atmosphere, small piece by small piece. Satellites that need to be replaced every few years. Rockets burning the atmosphere piece by piece, forever. 20,000 satellites emitting phased array beams of radiation through the atmosphere, indefinitely. Many more towers emitting radiation.

Enjoy your Whatsapp

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7016513  (worth reading the whole thing)

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On 01/08/2020 at 20:15, MarkG said:

The satellites are fast, but the speed has to be split across however many users are using that satellite. 100Gbps doesn't look so good when it's split across a million users.

Yes. 20,000+ low orbit satellites can't use an "all direction" field of emission at such range without huge power. It has to be directed with beam forming, therefore only capable of communicating with a very limited number of devices.

Not commercially viable, however it is good for tracking 20,000 select people (e.g. political dissidents) at a time and extending tracking beyond the reach of fixed location towers. USSR, or anything similar, and that which develops into similar, would love that.

5G is barely commercially viable, if at all. Do you know they need to put emitters every 8 to 10 houses? It can't get through walls. It's distance range is inferior to 4G, due to having a higher frequency > the higher the frequency the shorter the range > so more wattage needed?

The above is just basic stuff that even the industry itself is open about. People should do a little research.

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1 hour ago, Arpeggio said:

The above is just basic stuff that even the industry itself is open about. People should do a little research.

I dont think amazon would spend 10 billion of Bezos fortune to produce a crap product.  Elon Musk is also spending heavy on Satellites as are google. It's a good old fashioned space race...

 

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3 minutes ago, Warlord said:

I dont think amazon would spend 10 billion of Bezos fortune to produce a crap product.  Elon Musk is also spending heavy on Satellites as are google.

Sorry but I didn't mean that being commercially viable was the intention. Amazon haven't made a long term profit since 1995 and their P/E ratio is batsh*t insane. Bezos fortune is largely from his incremental automated AMZ stock sell offs. If profit is breathing air, competing with Amazon is like having a "hold your breath underwater competition" with a dead body. By the way you know the CIA uses Amazon's cloud right?

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3 minutes ago, Warlord said:

It's a good old fashioned space race...

Yes, it is.

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10 hours ago, Arpeggio said:

Sorry but I didn't mean that being commercially viable was the intention. Amazon haven't made a long term profit since 1995 and their P/E ratio is batsh*t insane. Bezos fortune is largely from his incremental automated AMZ stock sell offs. If profit is breathing air, competing with Amazon is like having a "hold your breath underwater competition" with a dead body. By the way you know the CIA uses Amazon's cloud right?

 

$10 billion represents about 10% of his fortune. Do you really think he would invest 10% of his net worth in something that produced crap speeds ?

On a smaller scale would you invest 10% of your net worth into something unless you thought it would pay off ? No, you wouldn't and neither would he.

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5 hours ago, Warlord said:

$10 billion represents about 10% of his fortune. Do you really think he would invest 10% of his net worth in something that produced crap speeds ?

I said nothing of speed. What I said was that it can't get through objects and has a short range. Ironically this is because it is a higher frequency > can contain more data, or "higher speed" if you like. This is why trees are being cut down in cities and why they intend to put lots of towers / emitters all over the place.

On the video at 2:30 when he puts his body in the way and loses 150Mbs. This is the idea behind directional phased array beams (intended for both satellites and ground stations), rather than blanket radiation. For example if you are talking on your phone but the source is opposite side of your head, a beam would just go straight through your head for an unaffected signal. Same with roofs, other people etc. goes straight through.

There is also the thermal effect. Microwave ovens use 2.4 Ghz at 1000 watts power, while Wifi uses 2.4 Ghz at 0.1 watts power (now there's 5Ghz wifi frequency too). 4G tower 20 to 40 watts power. Telecom satellite 2 kW to 20 kW power (not including 5G)

5G will be higher frequency 24Ghz frequency and upwards, with many more towers as already mentioned above. Hypothetically speaking, emitters, with same as microwave oven, pumping out 2.4Ghz all over with 1000watts power might heat and even kill lots of things quickly. This would not be discreet at all.

 

5 hours ago, Warlord said:

On a smaller scale would you invest 10% of your net worth into something unless you thought it would pay off ? No, you wouldn't and neither would he.

As above. Amazon has never made a profit and Jeff Bezos fortune is made on AMZ stock value. I guess you don't remember the Amazon fire phone $170 million flop.

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