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Now the story is "Save the economy" and spend as much as you can, rather than "Save the NHS, Save lives, Stay at home".  Anyone would think the virus has gone away, so let's see how far it's gone next week after everyone has been out on a bender for days on end.

Remember many are still on furlough, so can go to the pub every day now to "save the economy".  Everyones a winner.

 

Going to be a disaster imo, but let's see if Boris and Cummings are brilliant stategists or village idiots.  After last nights show by Boris, I think the wheels are coming off for them.

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And we didn’t have your ugly Marxist mates rioting by the hundred. No c19 issues.

Or 000s on Bournemouth beach. No c19 issues.

It’S the biggest fraud in history.

Just like: Boris and Sunak are capitalists.

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1 hour ago, Social Justice League said:

Now the story is "Save the economy" and spend as much as you can, rather than "Save the NHS, Save lives, Stay at home".  Anyone would think the virus has gone away, so let's see how far it's gone next week after everyone has been out on a bender for days on end.

Remember many are still on furlough, so can go to the pub every day now to "save the economy".  Everyones a winner.

 

Going to be a disaster imo, but let's see if Boris and Cummings are brilliant stategists or village idiots.  After last nights show by Boris, I think the wheels are coming off for them.

Its not right a millionaire like Sunak telling the public to go out and spend.

Its alright for people like him to spend, spend, spend. They, like his colleagues, can afford it. But this now is a UK public where thousands are losing their jobs, so rightfully have worries about their financial future. Those who have been on furlough and saved money, or used it to pay off debets, incase their jobs went, should be applauded.

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1 hour ago, Postman said:

Aka 'save our mates fat bank balances' 

Ill be going to a pub this weekend.

I have no problem keeping people employed. I struggle to see why the far left does?

Protest BLM.. worth the risk... stop mass unemployment in the hospitality industry... no way!! scum!! 

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The Internet has made so much damage to this country that one might think that people have suddenly gone crazy if they landed on this island after decades spent on Mars without any access to the news. 
I do believe that there is no bloody ******ing point in freedom of speech if freedom of speech means that a bot on twitter can make a message about a fake virus go viral, undermining the efforts of those who have followed the rules. The response to the virus in this country has been pathetic, I still see people without masks on buses. I think trains are the same. Nobody is trying to enforce the rules, we hide behind these “let’s leave it to the public good willing”. What sort of good willing you can have when still, politicians in the first place do not wear a mask, the set up rules their advisors and relatives can break without any consequences? How can you expect the mass to follow basic, simple rules if their fb wall and twitter feed is full of bs coming from god only knows where for gos only knows what reason? 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, Neapolitan said:

The Internet has made so much damage to this country that one might think that people have suddenly gone crazy if they landed on this island after decades spent on Mars without any access to the news. 
I do believe that there is no bloody ******ing point in freedom of speech if freedom of speech means that a bot on twitter can make a message about a fake virus go viral, undermining the efforts of those who have followed the rules. The response to the virus in this country has been pathetic, I still see people without masks on buses. I think trains are the same. Nobody is trying to enforce the rules, we hide behind these “let’s leave it to the public good willing”. What sort of good willing you can have when still, politicians in the first place do not wear a mask, the set up rules their advisors and relatives can break without any consequences? How can you expect the mass to follow basic, simple rules if their fb wall and twitter feed is full of bs coming from god only knows where for gos only knows what reason? 
 

 

Any yet, despite what you say... the nightingale hospitals were never used... the numbers still go down.. the background death rate has returned to the level expected for the year.. London a city of over 8 million has had under 10 cases a day for over a month

 

It might just be.. that the original models had the risk at an order of magnitude higher than it turned out to be.... that the risk is minimal for under 60s... that a lot of cases are asymptmatic... that the virus does not run rampant through a whole population but fails to spread after a set %

Why hang onto the apocalyptic model?

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4 minutes ago, captainb said:

Any yet, despite what you say... the nightingale hospitals were never used... the numbers still go down.. the background death rate has returned to the level expected for the year.. London a city of over 8 million has had under 10 cases a day for over a month

 

It might just be.. that the original models had the risk at an order of magnitude higher than it turned out to be.... that the risk is minimal for under 60s... that a lot of cases are asymptmatic... that the virus does not run rampant through a whole population but fails to spread after a set %

Why hang onto the apocalyptic model?

What apocalytic model? Great progress has been made in the UK and across Europe in getting close to zero. Containment and suppression work. The concern is that by releasing too early we repeat the experience of Japan, Australia, Iran etc. and have to introduced a second lockdown.

Switzerland just registered >100 for three days in a row after averaging tens in June.

Austria upticked yesterday to 109, highest since Apr 17.

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22 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

What apocalytic model? Great progress has been made in the UK and across Europe in getting close to zero. Containment and suppression work. The concern is that by releasing too early we repeat the experience of Japan, Australia, Iran etc. and have to introduced a second lockdown.

Switzerland just registered >100 for three days in a row after averaging tens in June.

Austria upticked yesterday to 109, highest since Apr 17.

You mean countries who didnt have a first wave are now having a first wave...

Where is the second wave in Milan, New York, Madrid, London etc?

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4 minutes ago, captainb said:

You mean countries who didnt have a first wave are now having a first wave...

Where is the second wave in Milan, New York, Madrid, London etc?

Every country in Europe had a first wave, dummy. Switzerland was recording 1,000+ new cases/day in mid March.

New York has introduced a mandatory quarantine for out-of-state visitors. The Italians are still staying at home, 'smart working'.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-coronavirus-pandemic-work-home-office

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MILAN – Italy, one of the countries hardest-hit by COVID-19, is back to work, but it’s a very different place.

The pandemic situation appears to be under control for now and cases have not shot back up as many worried they would. Still, about 8 million Italians have continued what they’re calling “smart working” -- working from home, or a combination of home and office.

Some people have said they felt tentative about being around crowds on transportation and offices just yet, while others simply have taken to remote working. Many employers have encouraged a phased return to normalcy -- if Italy will ever return to the “old normal.”

 

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Just now, zugzwang said:

Every country in Europe had a first wave, dummy. Switzerland was recording 1,000+ new cases/day in mid March.

New York has introduced a mandatory quarantine for out-of-state visitors. The Italians are still staying at home, 'smart working'.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-coronavirus-pandemic-work-home-office

 

I am impressed you have resorted to a pointless insult in only two posts. New record for yourself. 

Yes. Milan is under total lockdown as is New York as is London as is Madrid. Nobody is doing any work. Everyone is losing their jobs. Socialist paradise. Switzerland having hit 10 cases per million people is really taking off.

Back in the real world, those that suffered the first wave are moving on.. whether they bothered with a lockdown or not... those that avoided it through a strict lockdown ala Australia and Japan are finding it harder to avoid a first wave.

 

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Just now, zugzwang said:

Every country in Europe had a first wave, dummy. Switzerland was recording 1,000+ new cases/day in mid March.

New York has introduced a mandatory quarantine for out-of-state visitors. The Italians are still staying at home, 'smart working'.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-coronavirus-pandemic-work-home-office

 

Nonsense.

Slovakia and Czech Republic barely had any cases. Countries with major transport hubs (London, Paris, NY, Madrid etc.) meant a disproportionate infection rate into those communities.

There are several countries in Europe who locked down successfully and quickly with no first wave. Problem they now face is with restrictions easing they have zero immunity.

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8 minutes ago, captainb said:

I am impressed you have resorted to a pointless insult in only two posts. New record for yourself. 

Yes. Milan is under total lockdown as is New York as is London as is Madrid. Nobody is doing any work. Everyone is losing their jobs. Socialist paradise. Switzerland having hit 10 cases per million people is really taking off.

Back in the real world, those that suffered the first wave are moving on.. whether they bothered with a lockdown or not... those that avoided it through a strict lockdown ala Australia and Japan are finding it harder to avoid a first wave.

 

The interests of the economy and public health are entirely congruent. Extinguish the virus and you can get everyone back to work safely in the fastest possible time.

Having released too quickly, Spain is now having to lockdown again.

Double disaster, just as the lousy English arrive!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8489421/Spain-locks-area-200-000-people-spike-coronavirus-cases.html

 

 

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My issue is that we literally can't afford a second lockdown, so opening pubs at 6am this morning isn't maybe the best idea just yet, but it seems that no one gives a toss anymore.  We've had protests, riots and illegal raves after Cummings tested his eyesight, so it looks like the government has cut it's own throat.

"Save the economy" in July...........................so that we can lock down again in September and completely finish off the country.

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Again we are focusing on this first/second wave non sense. My problem is a government saying we should do something and people not following the instructions. Wear the ******ing mask and shut up. Do you thinks lads will follow the rules in pubs tonight? Why people can’t just go out, meet friends, share a couple of drinks and enjoy their night out? Why we need to worry that adults might not follow a couple of simple instructions? 

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Just now, zugzwang said:

The interests of the economy and public health are entirely congruent. Extinguish the virus and you can get everyone back to work safely in the fastest possible time.

Having released too quickly, Spain is now having to lockdown again.

Double disaster, just as the lousy English arrive!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8489421/Spain-locks-area-200-000-people-spike-coronavirus-cases.html

 

 

100% agree.

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9 minutes ago, PalmerEldritch said:

Nonsense.

Slovakia and Czech Republic barely had any cases. Countries with major transport hubs (London, Paris, NY, Madrid etc.) meant a disproportionate infection rate into those communities.

There are several countries in Europe who locked down successfully and quickly with no first wave. Problem they now face is with restrictions easing they have zero immunity.

The science of beating Covid-19 is here:

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/

Herd immunity plays no part in it.

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3 hours ago, Social Justice League said:

They're more communist than Corbyn.  Fooking hilarious all this.

Satire.

 

Marx wasn’t as Commie as Corbyn.

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3 hours ago, byron78 said:

Were there far left riots? They seemed far better behaved than the Football Lad far right lot to me.

 

Remarkable Leftie fakenews.

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54 minutes ago, Social Justice League said:

My issue is that we literally can't afford a second lockdown, so opening pubs at 6am this morning isn't maybe the best idea just yet, but it seems that no one gives a toss anymore.  We've had protests, riots and illegal raves after Cummings tested his eyesight, so it looks like the government has cut it's own throat.

"Save the economy" in July...........................so that we can lock down again in September and completely finish off the country.

There will be no 2nd Nonsense Lockdown. They know they f’d up. They will not repeat. Localised Lockdowns  only now.

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