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Looks like London is going to see a summer/autumn and winter of discontent as the many realise that the current system isn't fit for purpose for 99% of the population.  Why work and pay tax when you get this sh1t dished up as a 'civilized' society.  Better just burn it down and be done with it imo.

IMO, western capitalism is finished.  It's been a great ride for thoughs who benefited since 1945, but now the wheels, floor and running gear have come off the 75 year experiment of making people feel insecure through advertising and fianacial warfare by our corrupt financial system.

Hilarious and all rather pathetic, but that has been the world since WWII.

 

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1 hour ago, Social Justice League said:

Looks like London is going to see a summer/autumn and winter of discontent as the many realise that the current system isn't fit for purpose for 99% of the population.  Why work and pay tax when you get this sh1t dished up as a 'civilized' society.  Better just burn it down and be done with it imo.

IMO, western capitalism is finished.  It's been a great ride for thoughs who benefited since 1945, but now the wheels, floor and running gear have come off the 75 year experiment of making people feel insecure through advertising and fianacial warfare by our corrupt financial system.

Hilarious and all rather pathetic, but that has been the world since WWII.

Who controls the money.

Divide and conquer.

 

Austria protests over George Floyd.

 

 

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I remember all those anti Brexit people's vote protests in London with up to a million marchers - even the anti Iraq war protests and the pro hunting countryside marches. A lot of people did a lot of marching - but did it change the outcome?. Blair and Boris won landslides in the next election and the hunting ban wasn't stopped. Or indeed the 2011 riots - within a year we hosted the Olympics and all was forgotten and Boris won re-election.

The poll tax riots had some effect in changing the Tory PM - but the Tories still won in 1992.

What happens in London doesn't always always reflect the position nationally. But it is always London roads that get blocked, London businesses that get impacted or looted, and London monuments that get damaged - and London council taxpayers and business ratepayers who pick up the costs of all the police overtime!

I accept a lot of people are angry and want to change things - but to what. A lot of slogans - but what to do in practice.

Maybe decent well paid jobs rather than a cheap labour gig economy and actual affordable housing be of some help in improving opportunities. But neither Labour or the Tories have done much to deliver either for the last 23 years.

Thatcher even delivered more genuinely affordable council housing in one year than Blair and Brown did in 13 - and in her time buy to let was what you did in your local bathroom store!  And she wasn't even trying.

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These protests during this pandemic represent a dangerous conflagration in the psyche of those taking part in them. Racism is going to be paralleled with the virus with both being viewed as the "invisible enemy". Defying lockdown and risking infection for the noble cause is an intravenous heroism rush imbuing a sense of meaning to ones life that was previously absent.

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34 minutes ago, Bluestone59 said:

Yes. Are the Gilets Jaunes still at it?

I haven't heard anything of them lately, presumably because the BBC had an embargo on reporting their activities.

As of last November 24 people had apparently lost eyes and 5 people lost hands, 2 had died and 315 people had suffered head injuries amongst those on the gilet jaunes protests. Apparently police brutality and violence against poor working class French people is of little interest to our media - as its only a 30 miles away compared to an event in a city 4,000 miles away. After all Macron is the 'right sort of leader' - and we don't want to upset his ratings!

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2019/11/year-gilets-jaunes-have-lost-24-eyes-and-five-hands-and-made-deep-mark-french

Still China must be happy - as absolutely no one in the west is protesting or paying any real attention to what is going on in Hong Kong anymore. Now those young HK protestors truly are brave - as if they arrested by the police no one will much care and many of them will just be 'disappeared'!

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2 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

Still China must be happy - as absolutely no one is protesting or paying any attention to what is going on in Hong Kong anymore. Now those young HK protestors truly are brave - as if they arrested by the police no one will much care and they will just be 'disappeared'!

They want the ability to claim moral equivalence - see you are heavy handed against your opponents, so you can't complain when we do the same.  They can show their people that the West has no moral strength, and undermine the drive for democracy.

China's political strenght comes from the rock solid Social Contract of the State will provide stability and resources so long as you give up all your rights.  When the surplus runs out, then it will become evil

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5 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

 

As of last November 24 people had apparently lost eyes and 5 people lost hands, 2 had died and 315 people had suffered head injuries amongst those on the gilet jaunes protests. Apparently police brutality and violence against poor working class French people is of little interest to our media - as its only a 30 miles away compared to an event in a city 4,000 miles away.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2019/11/year-gilets-jaunes-have-lost-24-eyes-and-five-hands-and-made-deep-mark-french

Still China must be happy - as absolutely no one in the west is protesting or paying any real attention to what is going on in Hong Kong anymore. Now those young HK protestors truly are brave - as if they arrested by the police no one will much care and many of them will just be 'disappeared'!

Shocking. I'd heard of a few serious injuries in France but not on this scale.

HK, I'm less surprised. At one time I thought China had moved on to a more enlightened approach, I should have guessed it was BS.

Thanks for info Martin.

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7 minutes ago, msi said:

They want the ability to claim moral equivalence - see you are heavy handed against your opponents, so you can't complain when we do the same.  They can show their people that the West has no moral strength, and undermine the drive for democracy.

China's political strenght comes from the rock solid Social Contract of the State will provide stability and resources so long as you give up all your rights.  When the surplus runs out, then it will become evil

Am watching a Portillo train programme on Singapore on BBC2 now. They are a prosperous quasi democracy with elections where there is a similar social contract - despite land prices being astronomical the state delivers affordable housing for all, there is little or no crime, hard work is promoted. the population is generally content and happy and there is a real sense of national unity despite it being a very diverse overcrowded nation.

Not sure how much our supposedly superior system with all its limitless choices but lack of social cohesion and opportunities for many is necessarily making people happier?  How happy are Londoners by contrast - despite all that freedom they are always complaining or protesting - and all look so miserable?

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13 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

Thatcher even delivered more genuinely affordable council housing in one year than Blair and Brown did in 13 - and in her time buy to let was what you did in your local bathroom store!  And she wasn't even trying.

Thatcher made us all so so much money. Invested heavily in property in the 80s. Her flogging off the Council Houses basically removed a massive House Price regulator AND nuked a big source of new builds. 

Housing Benefit bill and house prices now have both benefited from getting rid. Which, again, are actually both huge pluses for a lot of landlords.

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27 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

Am watching a Portillo train programme on Singapore on BBC2 now. They are a prosperous quasi democracy with elections where there is a similar social contract - despite land prices being astronomical the state delivers affordable housing for all, there is little or no crime, hard work is promoted. the population is generally content and happy and there is a real sense of national unity despite it being a very diverse overcrowded nation.

Not sure how much our supposedly superior system with all its limitless choices but lack of social cohesion and opportunities for many is necessarily making people happier?  How happy are Londoners by contrast - despite all that freedom they are always complaining or protesting - and all look so miserable?

You are right, Singapore proves you can have ethnic diversity build into a sense of nationhood.

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13 minutes ago, byron78 said:

Thatcher made us all so so much money. Invested heavily in property in the 80s. Her flogging off the Council Houses basically removed a massive House Price regulator AND nuked a big source of new builds. 

Housing Benefit bill and house prices now have both benefited from getting rid. Which, again, are actually both huge pluses for a lot of landlords.

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Was Thatcher still PM from 1997 to 2009 - on your graph the number of local authority houses delivered rose sharply from 1980 to 1988 when she was PM and collapsed after she left office and was non existent from 1997 to 2010. Total housing delivered peaked in 1988 towards the end of her time as PM and has never recovered.

Were Blair and Brown secretly Thatcher in drag - or do we just pretend their 13 years in office never happened? Not defending Thatcher - merely to pretend that our current housing situation is her fault given she left office 30 years ago is total nonsense! Blair and Brown did f all except cause house prices to quadruple and buy to let to rise ten fold - and unlike Thatcher they pretended to care!

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6 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

Was Thatcher still PM from 1997 to 2009 - on your graph the number of local authority houses delivered rose sharply from 1980 to 1988 when she was PM and collapsed after she left office and was non existent from 1997 to 2010. Total housing delivered peaked in 1988 towards the end of her time as PM and has never recovered.

Were Blair and Brown secretly Thatcher in drag - or do we just pretend their 13 years in office never happened? Not defending Thatcher - merely to pretend that our current housing situation is her fault given she left office 30 years ago is total nonsense! Blair and Brown did f all except cause house prices to quadruple and buy to let to rise ten fold - and unlike Thatcher they pretended to care!

Are you reading the graph right?  Between the graph points of 1979 and 1988 the number of Local Authority houses (the area I see coloured light Red, reduces in thickness - a reduction in the number built) Between 1988 and 1991 it goes pretty much to zero.  I'd say that falls into the Tory lap.

The shape of the overall graph shows your peak in 1988, driven by Private building (no doubt encouraged by cheap land, deregulation on standards, reduction on space, and most likely some generous tax payer funded bungs. However the number of private built houses never eclipsed the post war years.

Blair bound himself to Tory spending plans for his first term, only after 2003 and his 2nd landslide did numbers tick upwards with the drop around 2007.

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24 minutes ago, msi said:

You are right, Singapore proves you can have ethnic diversity build into a sense of nationhood.

Singaporean ethnic diversity is accepted by all, just as long as they accept that the Chinese majority make the rules, run the businesses and make the money. Their sense of nationhood is based entirely on a steady and continuous increase in wealth since independence. If the wealth went seriously downhill, the place would soon fall apart. The central unwritten state philosophy is - no work, no eat. Many Britons would be horrified how laziness and deviance in any form are harshly penalized.

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1 minute ago, onlooker said:

Singaporean ethnic diversity is accepted by all, just as long as they accept that the Chinese majority make the rules, run the businesses and make the money. Their sense of nationhood is based entirely on a steady and continuous increase in wealth since independence. If the wealth went seriously downhill, the place would soon fall apart. The central unwritten state philosophy is - no work, no eat. Many Britons would be horrified how laziness and deviance in any form are harshly penalized.

Trump will destroy Singapore, collateral damage in his problem with China.

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2 hours ago, msi said:

They want the ability to claim moral equivalence - see you are heavy handed against your opponents, so you can't complain when we do the same.  They can show their people that the West has no moral strength, and undermine the drive for democracy.

China's political strenght comes from the rock solid Social Contract of the State will provide stability and resources so long as you give up all your rights.  When the surplus runs out, then it will become evil

I enjoy your postings. Thanks for sharing.

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As I understand it, the Singapore government owns the social housing that it rents out. Massive tenement blocks, some more uglier than others. But it seems to work. It is a small city so getting around is cheap and quick. Food is also cheap. I visited a friend who worked there and they never bothered cooking.

Logistically it would not be too difficult for the government here to just whack up some massive flats next to the train stations - renting them out and maintaining them at cost would be fairly cheap. Just don't think it could contain the social problems that arise from it.

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2 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

Was Thatcher still PM from 1997 to 2009 - on your graph the number of local authority houses delivered rose sharply from 1980 to 1988 when she was PM and collapsed after she left office and was non existent from 1997 to 2010. Total housing delivered peaked in 1988 towards the end of her time as PM and has never recovered.

Were Blair and Brown secretly Thatcher in drag - or do we just pretend their 13 years in office never happened? Not defending Thatcher - merely to pretend that our current housing situation is her fault given she left office 30 years ago is total nonsense! Blair and Brown did f all except cause house prices to quadruple and buy to let to rise ten fold - and unlike Thatcher they pretended to care!

First off, I helped Thatcher get elected, and (mostly out of blind loyalty) I have voted Tory at every GE. That makes me old enough to remember where and when big mistakes were made, and old enough to not really care about admitting I helped make them.

As I understand it, we moved responsibility for the building of council homes back to local authorities, who then put them out to private tender.

The pale red area is absorbed into, and becomes part of, the dark red area. It's a result of Tory policy as well (you can literally look this up online if you want).

I'm not sure what the rest of your post is about. Sorry.

There was also a "double whammy" stimulus to the UK property market (or rather, private rents) that rarely gets mentioned. Thatcher's Right-To-Buy is the reason so many little old ladies are rattling around in big old council houses they will never be able to afford to buy (and why we needed the Bedroom Tax to help shift them out of these).

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5 hours ago, Social Justice League said:

Looks like London is going to see a summer/autumn and winter of discontent as the many realise that the current system isn't fit for purpose for 99% of the population.  Why work and pay tax when you get this sh1t dished up as a 'civilized' society.  Better just burn it down and be done with it imo.

IMO, western capitalism is finished.  It's been a great ride for thoughs who benefited since 1945, but now the wheels, floor and running gear have come off the 75 year experiment of making people feel insecure through advertising and fianacial warfare by our corrupt financial system.

Hilarious and all rather pathetic, but that has been the world since WWII.

 

Struggling to see the link between protests at racism, and your suggestion that somehow this is an indication that Western capitalism is finished.

No-one is protesting about capitalism.  And certainly no-one is protesting about advertising or "financial warfare" whatever that is.

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1 hour ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

Citation.

Nothing in writing - but it’s been a while since I have seen any coverage. Maybe you could point some out yourself via the odd news recent report?

As I observed earlier you might think 24 eyes lost, 5 hands, 2 deaths and 130 odd head injuries in our nearest neighbour might spark some interest.  I thought the BBC were rightfully outraged by police brutality?! Or can Macron do no wrong?

Still at least the New Statesman had the integrity to report on things.

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