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5 minutes ago, sammersmith said:

So you both voted leave as a protest and now your protest is complete you'd like to run the real once-in-a-generation referendum please?

 

Of course.

If a man is sentenced to death and new evidence emerges, should a retrial be delayed until after his execution?

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12 minutes ago, sammersmith said:

So you both voted leave as a protest and now your protest is complete you'd like to run the real once-in-a-generation referendum please?

 

The referendum, by definition, was an opinion poll. It was non-binding.

Plus, I am sure that if I promised you a rose garden - you'd vote for it. But then you didn't get it - did you?

 

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5 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

The referendum, by definition, was an opinion poll. It was non-binding.

Funny how no one mentioned the non-binding bit before the vote results isn't it. 

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Just now, sammersmith said:

Funny how no on mentioned the non-binding bit before the vote results isn't it. 

Funny how there would be only upsides and no downsides to Brexit? Or that a trade deal with the EU would be a walk in the park? Or that the rest of the world would be queuing up to business with us?

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3 minutes ago, sammersmith said:

The only new evidence i saw after the election was the lengths remainers would go to to overturn a democratic vote. 

Then you haven't been reading this forum :rolleyes:.

 

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8 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

Funny how there would be only upsides and no downsides to Brexit? Or that a trade deal with the EU would be a walk in the park? Or that the rest of the world would be queuing up to business with us?

And lets not forget project fear narrative of increased interest rates and £4,300 yearly cost to each family owing to Brexit. Or the emergency budget that didn't happen, or the back-of-the-queue remarks from Obama - who himself was coming to the end of his presidency so any trade deal would have had no oversight from him anyway. 

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10 minutes ago, sammersmith said:

And lets not forget project fear narrative of increased interest rates and £4,300 yearly cost to each family owing to Brexit. Or the emergency budget that didn't happen, or the back-of-the-queue remarks from Obama - who himself was coming to the end of his presidency so any trade deal would have had no oversight from him anyway. 

Project fear you say?

Following the Brexit referendum, many companies shifted assets, offices, or businesses operations out of Britain and to continental Europe.[50] By the beginning of April 2019, banks had transferred more than US$1 trillion out of Britain, and asset management and insurance companies transferred US$130 billion out of Britain.[50]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

On household costs - we haven't left yet? A no-deal is projected to cost £2500 pa per household. Combine that with Covid and I hope you know a good feudal lord with a few fields you can work in?

http://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2019/K-November-2019/Brexit-hit-to-UK-living-standards

On the sheer stupidity

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/21/brexit-costs-close-to-matching-britains-total-eu-contributions-infographic/

 

On the good old USA and Obama. You think he wasn't right? We have no special relationship. No privilege. Nada. After Brexit, we're now just a weak nothing with no power or leverage.

Your friend Trump will get Johnson and his cronies to bend over one-by-one. Doesn't sound like we're at the front of the queue does it?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-us-trade-deal-tax-corporations-tech-trump-boris-johnson-facebook-amazon-google-a9037581.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-07/brexit-britain-prepares-for-some-u-s-donald-trump-vassalage

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-britain-new-master-donald-trump-boris-johnson/

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/boris-johnson-disappointed-as-trump-aims-tariffs-at-uk-products-11826292

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-accused-of-caving-to-us-trade-demands_uk_5eb16d59c5b60a9277823f3e

https://www.ft.com/content/3aef20b0-5c8f-11ea-8033-fa40a0d65a98?11

 

But there's always China. Oh hold on.

 

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4 hours ago, sammersmith said:

Regardless of the economic outcome of Brexit, It's optimism in the extreme to believe we will return to the EU tail between our legs. The only pro-EU political group that has had any success in the last 4 years is the SNP. Labour, LibDem, and ChangeUK have all been punished for their pro-EU stance. Which party do you think will successfully capture the public and take us back in the EU?

Until the pro Brexit party is punished, won’t take long.

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1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

Project fear you say?

That's right.

I'm not going to go line by line on your response sorry. This really is for the Brexit thread, which i tried to avoid as it's just batsh*t crazy from both sides. This is a discussion about the transition and the sense or not of extending. 

Just two things though before back on topic

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

On the good old USA and Obama. You think he wasn't right? We have no special relationship. No privilege. Nada. After Brexit, we're now just a weak nothing with no power or leverage.

I never doubted Obama's correctness or not. I just said that any trade deal would not involve Obama as he was out in a few months. This was the only certainty. He was speaking as the President and therefore his comments were misleading at best. 

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

Your friend Trump will get Johnson and his cronies to bend over one-by-one

Trump is not my mate. Can't stand the bloke. Despite what you may have read in the Guardian, leavers are not some homogeneous group who support the same people and want the same things. For the record I can't stand Farage or Banks either. 

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5 hours ago, jonb2 said:

Project fear you say?

Following the Brexit referendum, many companies shifted assets, offices, or businesses operations out of Britain and to continental Europe.[50] By the beginning of April 2019, banks had transferred more than US$1 trillion out of Britain, and asset management and insurance companies transferred US$130 billion out of Britain.[50]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

On household costs - we haven't left yet? A no-deal is projected to cost £2500 pa per household. Combine that with Covid and I hope you know a good feudal lord with a few fields you can work in?

http://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2019/K-November-2019/Brexit-hit-to-UK-living-standards

On the sheer stupidity

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/21/brexit-costs-close-to-matching-britains-total-eu-contributions-infographic/

 

On the good old USA and Obama. You think he wasn't right? We have no special relationship. No privilege. Nada. After Brexit, we're now just a weak nothing with no power or leverage.

Your friend Trump will get Johnson and his cronies to bend over one-by-one. Doesn't sound like we're at the front of the queue does it?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-us-trade-deal-tax-corporations-tech-trump-boris-johnson-facebook-amazon-google-a9037581.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-07/brexit-britain-prepares-for-some-u-s-donald-trump-vassalage

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-britain-new-master-donald-trump-boris-johnson/

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/boris-johnson-disappointed-as-trump-aims-tariffs-at-uk-products-11826292

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-accused-of-caving-to-us-trade-demands_uk_5eb16d59c5b60a9277823f3e

https://www.ft.com/content/3aef20b0-5c8f-11ea-8033-fa40a0d65a98?11

 

But there's always China. Oh hold on.

 

Hehe...quite quaint and endearing seeing these losers still blather on about this stuff.

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5 hours ago, jonb2 said:

Project fear you say?

Following the Brexit referendum, many companies shifted assets, offices, or businesses operations out of Britain and to continental Europe.[50] By the beginning of April 2019, banks had transferred more than US$1 trillion out of Britain, and asset management and insurance companies transferred US$130 billion out of Britain.[50]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

On household costs - we haven't left yet? A no-deal is projected to cost £2500 pa per household. Combine that with Covid and I hope you know a good feudal lord with a few fields you can work in?

http://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2019/K-November-2019/Brexit-hit-to-UK-living-standards

On the sheer stupidity

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/21/brexit-costs-close-to-matching-britains-total-eu-contributions-infographic/

 

On the good old USA and Obama. You think he wasn't right? We have no special relationship. No privilege. Nada. After Brexit, we're now just a weak nothing with no power or leverage.

Your friend Trump will get Johnson and his cronies to bend over one-by-one. Doesn't sound like we're at the front of the queue does it?

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-us-trade-deal-tax-corporations-tech-trump-boris-johnson-facebook-amazon-google-a9037581.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-07/brexit-britain-prepares-for-some-u-s-donald-trump-vassalage

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-britain-new-master-donald-trump-boris-johnson/

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/boris-johnson-disappointed-as-trump-aims-tariffs-at-uk-products-11826292

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-accused-of-caving-to-us-trade-demands_uk_5eb16d59c5b60a9277823f3e

https://www.ft.com/content/3aef20b0-5c8f-11ea-8033-fa40a0d65a98?11

 

But there's always China. Oh hold on.

 

Crushed by links. Do you think anyone bothers to read them? Who in their right mind assembles a library of links?

Another day closer to the end of this madness.

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10 minutes ago, micawber said:

Crushed by links. Do you think anyone bothers to read them? Who in their right mind assembles a library of links?

Another day closer to the end of this madness.

It’s really quite sad...they lost, but they can’t accept it. Amusing, but also a bit tiresome...even Kier Starmer has moved on. Yawn.

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The EU is going to collapse or at least split North and South... The Germans will NEVER pay for the Greek debt with Euro Bonds... The EU NEVER consolidated the debt across the Union (single IR and central bank, but independent bond markets). It's monetarily untenable and so the Euro is going to collapse... This is where the post Covid19 crisis will develop in full first and we'll be really glad we voted out.

At this point in time we are far more valuable to the EU than they are to us and so I do hope common sense prevails and there is a deal -as long as it honours the spirit of the BREXIT vote. We want cooperation, not a union.

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10 minutes ago, warpig said:

The EU is going to collapse or at least split North and South... The Germans will NEVER pay for the Greek debt with Euro Bonds... The EU NEVER consolidated the debt across the Union (single IR and central bank, but independent bond markets). It's monetarily untenable and so the Euro is going to collapse... This is where the post Covid19 crisis will develop in full first and we'll be really glad we voted out.

At this point in time we are far more valuable to the EU than they are to us and so I do hope common sense prevails and there is a deal -as long as it honours the spirit of the BREXIT vote. We want cooperation, not a union.

They need us more than we need them. YAWN!!!

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7 minutes ago, warpig said:

The EU is going to collapse or at least split North and South...

I'm not so sure. Objectively speaking Brexit seems to have brought continental members closer together if anything.

9 minutes ago, warpig said:

It's monetarily untenable and so the Euro is going to collapse

If the Euro did collapse, then this would be historically monumental. However I do think though that in the 11th hour Germany will always bend for the greater good. 

13 minutes ago, warpig said:

At this point in time we are far more valuable to the EU than they are to us and so I do hope common sense prevails and there is a deal

I think their pride will get the better of them and there's no real possibility of a mutually beneficial deal while the wounds of Brexit are still raw for the EU. 

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15 minutes ago, sammersmith said:

I'm not so sure. Objectively speaking Brexit seems to have brought continental members closer together if anything.

If the Euro did collapse, then this would be historically monumental. However I do think though that in the 11th hour Germany will always bend for the greater good. 

I think their pride will get the better of them and there's no real possibility of a mutually beneficial deal while the wounds of Brexit are still raw for the EU. 

What is a "mutually beneficial deal" especially when the UK wants nothing to do with the single market?

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4 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

What is a "mutually beneficial deal" especially when the UK wants nothing to do with the single market?

As of my most recent understanding, the UK is seeking an EU trade deal based on established precedents set with Canada (ideally) or Australia (if Canada-style deal not possible). As i'm sure you're aware, neither Canada or Australia are part of the single market. 

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