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America First...or could it be America Second?


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Across a lot of the news and indeed many of the threads in this site, it is pretty clear that we are living through a tumultuous time. 
 

Clearly the US and China are jockeying for position:
 

1) Trade negotiations and associated power plays 

2) HUAWEI 5G dispute

3) Coronavirus

4) South China Sea situation

5) Chinese investment 

6) US threats over COVID retaliation 

This is clearly happening as the 2 rivals are reaching similar levels of power.

Could it be that the citing of ‘America First’ actually be the marker that sees America fall into second place.


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or maybe the Dutch have it right: 

 

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See Sellar & Yeatman, 1930 p. 112-113 on how America became "top nation" at the end of WW1, signalling that "history came to a full stop" - that is a hundred years ago now, I often wondered how long that "phase" of history would last.

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Interesting comment in this article near the bottom https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233519/Being-overweight-puts-people-greater-risk-hospitalised-coronavirus.html

US definitely losing its shine:

He added that Americans are also particularly at risk because of rising levels of obesity in the US, with currently 42.4 percent of the adult population being severely overweight.

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I remember watching a scene in a US series between the fictional US Secretary of State and Chinese Foreign Minister.

The gist of it from the Chinese FM was  ' we have no need for armies and weapons to conquer you - when the time comes we will simply repossess you'.

That is the Chinese strategy globally - buy up everything, put other nations in hock to it - and wait!

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43 minutes ago, MARTINX9 said:

I remember watching a scene in a US series between the fictional US Secretary of State and Chinese Foreign Minister.

The gist of it from the Chinese FM was  ' we have no need for armies and weapons to conquer you - when the time comes we will simply repossess you'.

That is the Chinese strategy globally - buy up everything, put other nations in hock to it - and wait!

China has been the most powerful country on Earth except for the last two hundred years; as far as they are concerned all that is happening is that things are returning to normal.

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18 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

The gist of it from the Chinese FM was  ' we have no need for armies and weapons to conquer you - when the time comes we will simply repossess you'.

And how do they plan to do that without an army which can enforce it?

I see plenty of talk on US forums about how they should just take all Chinese-owned property in the US as part-payment of reparations for Chinese Flu. What would China to then? Whine to the UN? Refuse to be America's cheap manufacturing hub?

America is certainly heading downhill fast. But China is simply unable to run a global hegemony on the same scale.

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3 hours ago, MarkG said:

And how do they plan to do that without an army which can enforce it?

I see plenty of talk on US forums about how they should just take all Chinese-owned property in the US as part-payment of reparations for Chinese Flu. What would China to then? Whine to the UN? Refuse to be America's cheap manufacturing hub?

America is certainly heading downhill fast. But China is simply unable to run a global hegemony on the same scale.

wtf

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3 hours ago, MarkG said:

And how do they plan to do that without an army which can enforce it?

I see plenty of talk on US forums about how they should just take all Chinese-owned property in the US as part-payment of reparations for Chinese Flu. What would China to then? Whine to the UN? Refuse to be America's cheap manufacturing hub?

America is certainly heading downhill fast. But China is simply unable to run a global hegemony on the same scale.

Xi Jinping will call Putin!

Putin has a lot of firework and weapons they can improve.

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