Mass changes to UK immigration requirements

[debtlessmanc]

6 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

I used to know some French people who labelled Quebecois as "quaint."

 

Is it not interesting to compare the UK's  attitudes to english speaking communities around the world? The french attitude to the english speaking world is that you cannot insert a rizla between them on international affairs issues, i was told this many time when i lived there.

[captainb]

10 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

Okay another Huge increase im registrations, to 5.06M

or including eire citizens 5.4-5.5M an increase of 0.3M or so over the last figures in less than a month.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/eu-settlement-scheme-statistics

This is getting crazy, clearly it is going to turn out, like many on here have said, that the EU citizen population of the UK is of the order 6-7M (possibly more) 2-3 times what were told in 2016

do we espect an apology from thos on here who called us paranoid etc?  no chance of that

Why does it matter?

a. the govt was lying through its teeth, this matters

b how on earth are we supposed to understand the impact of this kind of thing on services if we cannot quantify it?

c. If they are leaving, as remainers say, what was the true number!!!

 

it also means (allowing for illegals) it is quite possible the UK is the most populous country in western europe ffs, madness.

 

I'm surprised the Irish is only 300k. 

Get Irish citizens still have full UK rights to work regardless but would have thought more would have taken it up the right just incase the UK changes the rules in the future 

[MARTINX9]

14 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

Okay another Huge increase im registrations, to 5.06M

or including eire citizens 5.4-5.5M an increase of 0.3M or so over the last figures in less than a month.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/eu-settlement-scheme-statistics

This is getting crazy, clearly it is going to turn out, like many on here have said, that the EU citizen population of the UK is of the order 6-7M (possibly more) 2-3 times what were told in 2016

do we espect an apology from thos on here who called us paranoid etc?  no chance of that

Why does it matter?

a. the govt was lying through its teeth, this matters

b how on earth are we supposed to understand the impact of this kind of thing on services if we cannot quantify it?

c. If they are leaving, as remainers say, what was the true number!!!

 

it also means (allowing for illegals) it is quite possible the UK is the most populous country in western europe ffs, madness.

 

How many of them are actually permanently resident anyway - you can of course now apparently have left the UK and moved abroad for up to 5 years before you risk losing settled status and the deal allows you to bring in multiple family members who get residency too. So the current figure could grow significantly. 

By contrast if you leave the US after one year you can lose your green card.

[shlomo]

On 2/11/2021 at 1:54 PM, iamnumerate said:

Have you got a link for what was claimed to be the figures in 2016?

https://hungarytoday.hu/uk-hungarians-brexit-130000/

More than 130,000 Hungarians have applied to stay in the UK permanently, according to figures released by Britain’s Home Office on Thursday. 

[debtlessmanc]

There has been another release of the full stats- hence the hungarian article

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2020

the top 5 are-

• Polish (911,240)
• Romanian (836,980)
• Italian (472,300)
• Portuguese (354,190)
• Spanish (301,790)

so basically just before the  vote we were told there were <200,000 romainians in the uk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36745584

and we were also told all the eu essential workers would leave, in practice another 600k romainians arrived since then....

also in agreement with @spyguy many more italians and portuguese than officially here.

Edited February 27, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[spyguy]

38 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

There has been another release of the full stats- hence the hungarian article

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2020

the top 5 are-

• Polish (911,240)
• Romanian (836,980)
• Italian (472,300)
• Portuguese (354,190)
• Spanish (301,790)

so basically just before the  vote we were told there were <200,000 romainians in the uk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36745584

and we were also told all the eu essential workers would leave, in practice another 600k romainians arrived since then....

also in agreement with @spyguy many more italians and portuguese than officially here.

Chatting to some Portuguese I know, they reckon that the UK is hosting ~10% of Portugal pop - 1m.

Id also guess the real number of Romanians is touching 2x the official number.

As far as I can tell pretty much everyone unconnected Italian between 25 and ~45 is in the UK.

 

 

 

[bartelbe]

UK supermarkets estimate that the UK population is far higher than official estimates, based on food sales.

The reality, which so many won't accept, is England is over populated and shouldn't be taking any more people. We are already incapable of feeding ourselves and the natural environment of England can't sustain the population we already have. Not to mention the strain it is putting on the housing supply.

Alas we can't say that because it is considered "racist". So instead we have to pretend there isn't an issue and continue to let in an endless stream of people.

[debtlessmanc]

17 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Chatting to some Portuguese I know, they reckon that the UK is hosting ~10% of Portugal pop - 1m.

Id also guess the real number of Romanians is touching 2x the official number.

As far as I can tell pretty much everyone unconnected Italian between 25 and ~45 is in the UK.

 

 

 

This a mass failure of these states really, an inability to offer any meaningful work to their youth. Where would it end -with the emptying of southern europe? The demographics are already looking terrifying in that part of the world. The EU does not seem to have any strategic plan, it is a technocracy that offers "freedoms", the only strategic aim seems to be centralisation of control in Brussels. The question for me is when it has built its empire what next?

Edited February 27, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[spyguy]

20 minutes ago, bartelbe said:

UK supermarkets estimate that the UK population is far higher than official estimates, based on food sales.

The reality, which so many won't accept, is England is over populated and shouldn't be taking any more people. We are already incapable of feeding ourselves and the natural environment of England can't sustain the population we already have. Not to mention the strain it is putting on the housing supply.

Alas we can't say that because it is considered "racist". So instead we have to pretend there isn't an issue and continue to let in an endless stream of people.

Guestimmate - UK pop is somewhere between 15m-20m more than 2000.

7m-8m of that is EUers, mainly EEers. 

The majority of those 15m-20m all require un work top ups / public sub.

[shlomo]

1 hour ago, debtlessmanc said:

There has been another release of the full stats- hence the hungarian article

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/eu-settlement-scheme-quarterly-statistics-december-2020

the top 5 are-

• Polish (911,240)
• Romanian (836,980)
• Italian (472,300)
• Portuguese (354,190)
• Spanish (301,790)

so basically just before the  vote we were told there were <200,000 romainians in the uk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36745584

and we were also told all the eu essential workers would leave, in practice another 600k romainians arrived since then....

also in agreement with @spyguy many more italians and portuguese than officially here.

The polish figure I can believe, the rest of the numbers are higher than I imagined, the Romanian number is a lot higher than I thought, we are area specific, I have come across a few Hungarians that started in London and moved to York, as they found london too expensive and Hungary is a failed state, but they wanted to stay in the UK forever 

[shlomo]

17 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Guestimmate - UK pop is somewhere between 15m-20m more than 2000.

7m-8m of that is EUers, mainly EEers. 

The majority of those 15m-20m all require un work top ups / public sub.

Do you think the government has been hiding the figures 

[debtlessmanc]

5 minutes ago, shlomo said:

The polish figure I can believe, the rest of the numbers are higher than I imagined, the Romanian number is a lot higher than I thought, we are area specific, I have come across a few Hungarians that started in London and moved to York, as they found london too expensive and Hungary is a failed state, but they wanted to stay in the UK forever 

I was out in Manchester for a bit of pub crawl on a nice early summers  friday evening about 5 years ago with crowds of others. I heard far more (what sounded like to my not inexperienced ear) Romanian being spoken then any other language (inc English). In fact i formed the opinion that most people out and about were EE's, had a similar experience in Preston visiting child who was there at time - Preston ffs it is the **** end of the earth. Are people suprised that the red wall voted like it did?

Edited February 27, 2021 by debtlessmanc

[shlomo]

39 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

Preston ffs it is the **** end of the earth. Are people suprised that the red wall voted like it did?

I have been Preston and also Romania,  we are complete whingers, so many things in Preston work it has nearly no criminal activity and you can make a decent living, with my skillet I would make 170 euros a month in Romania how can I survive on that

[spyguy]

51 minutes ago, shlomo said:

Do you think the government has been hiding the figures 

I dont think the Pols have been kicking **** to find out the true stats.

Labour opened the floodgates for gormless reasons that ultimately led to Brexit which anyone living in Westminster-London media bubble just could not see.

Theres been no curiosity about the true figures, even when the signs are all about you - sat in a regional Northern towns play park with several EE families groups and various Africans whereas 20 year ago it would be just Brits.

At the Brexit vote, the most people would say was 3m, which was roughly the same number before EE FOM and Browns inwork subs.

Theres been little media interest since the 5m count was blown. Telegraph being a shadow of itself and BBC n BBC types dominating the rest of media.

Census 2021 is next month.

Combine that with the final EU count which will be followed by WM EUers saying theyve not registered.

 

[spyguy]

55 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

I was out in Manchester for a bit of pub crawl on a nice early summers  friday evening about 5 years ago with crowds of others. I heard far more (what sounded like to my not inexperienced ear) Romanian being spoken then any other language (inc English). In fact i formed the opinion that most people out and about were EE's, had a similar experience in Preston visiting child who was there at time - Preston ffs it is the **** end of the earth. Are people suprised that the red wall voted like it did?

Ditto Peterborough, Kings Lyn, Malton, Rotherhan, central Mboro, Southampton, Reading, Leeds, etc etc

[dpg50000]

1 hour ago, debtlessmanc said:

I was out in Manchester for a bit of pub crawl on a nice early summers  friday evening about 5 years ago with crowds of others. I heard far more (what sounded like to my not inexperienced ear) Romanian being spoken then any other language (inc English). In fact i formed the opinion that most people out and about were EE's, had a similar experience in Preston visiting child who was there at time - Preston ffs it is the **** end of the earth. Are people suprised that the red wall voted like it did?

Woah, woah, woah..... that's my home town. 😀 

Ye, ok, it is a shithole now due to serious underinvestment. Totally agree re: most people out and about being EE.

[debtlessmanc]

4 minutes ago, dpg50000 said:

Woah, woah, woah..... that's my home town. 😀 

Ye, ok, it is a shithole now due to serious underinvestment. Totally agree re: most people out and about being EE.

My Daughter was looking into training for the police there, put her off the whole idea for life.

[shlomo]

12 minutes ago, dpg50000 said:

Woah, woah, woah..... that's my home town. 😀 

Ye, ok, it is a shithole now due to serious underinvestment. Totally agree re: most people out and about being EE.

It is not a shithole it depends what you are comparing it to, try Grimsby if you want a shithole

[debtlessmanc]

6 minutes ago, shlomo said:

It is not a shithole it depends what you are comparing it to, try Grimsby if you want a shithole

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/steph-mcgovern-mistaken-for-prostitute-2153155

"It was four’o’clock in the morning and I was going to film for Breakfast and this fella came towards me with four cans of Stella and a tenner because he wanted me to drink the cans and urinate on him. And he was offering me a tenner for that.”

[shlomo]

55 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/steph-mcgovern-mistaken-for-prostitute-2153155

"It was four’o’clock in the morning and I was going to film for Breakfast and this fella came towards me with four cans of Stella and a tenner because he wanted me to drink the cans and urinate on him. And he was offering me a tenner for that.”

£10 for Steph a bargain 

[anonguest]

On 19/02/2020 at 00:06, MARTINX9 said:

Needing to be able to speak English, needing to be educated to at least A level or equivalent, having skills we need not ones like painting nails we don't and being paid enough to not end up on tax credits and housing benefit to pay the bills.

Who is going to clean DIane Abbott's house so cheaply - or undercut the local established plumbers (cash in hand for a discount anyone?) when Keir Starmer needs a new bathroom installed. Who is going to make my grande caramel spiced latte machiatto with almond milk, two shots and cream on top? How will the middle classes of London cope when they have to pay more (i.e. enough to live on in London) for someone to do their basic chores.

Its an outrage I tell you an outrage!

Less cheap unskilled labour -  higher wages for local unskilled labour? Remember the days when Labour cared about the working classes?

OR......and here's a revolutionary thought - we make efforts to reduce the cost of everyday living (such as housing costs!) and then people won't actually NEED such high wages!

BUT that is too simple for MP's to work out for themselves - never mind that they are too busy constantly dreaming up ever more and more nanny state schemes that inevitably do the opposite (e.g. Help to Buy, charging a fortune to park your car in the high street or drive into a city centre in the name of saving the enviroment, employing legions in 'non-jobs' that didn't exist barely a generation ago, etc)

[shlomo]

On 2/27/2021 at 2:01 PM, debtlessmanc said:

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/steph-mcgovern-mistaken-for-prostitute-2153155

"It was four’o’clock in the morning and I was going to film for Breakfast and this fella came towards me with four cans of Stella and a tenner because he wanted me to drink the cans and urinate on him. And he was offering me a tenner for that.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236123/Almost-200-academics-British-universities-face-jail-sending-information-China.html

Almost 200 academics from more than a dozen British universities could face jail amid probe over fears they inadvertently helped China develop weapons of mass destruction

• Academics, from 20 universities, suspected of breaching Export Control Order
• Law is designed to prevent sensitive intellectual property going to hostile states
• The law carries a maximum 10 year prison sentence for those who breach it

[Will!]

On 05/03/2021 at 22:47, shlomo said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236123/Almost-200-academics-British-universities-face-jail-sending-information-China.html

Almost 200 academics from more than a dozen British universities could face jail amid probe over fears they inadvertently helped China develop weapons of mass destruction

• Academics, from 20 universities, suspected of breaching Export Control Order
• Law is designed to prevent sensitive intellectual property going to hostile states
• The law carries a maximum 10 year prison sentence for those who breach it

Would that include fintech?

FT: New UK fintech visa will struggle to attract specialists, experts warn

[debtlessmanc]

On 05/03/2021 at 22:47, shlomo said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236123/Almost-200-academics-British-universities-face-jail-sending-information-China.html

Almost 200 academics from more than a dozen British universities could face jail amid probe over fears they inadvertently helped China develop weapons of mass destruction

• Academics, from 20 universities, suspected of breaching Export Control Order
• Law is designed to prevent sensitive intellectual property going to hostile states
• The law carries a maximum 10 year prison sentence for those who breach it

I know some likely suspects. Could not happen to a nicer bunch.

[shlomo]

57 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

I know some likely suspects. Could not happen to a nicer bunch.

If you lived in Stalinist Russia you would now get a visit from the NKVD