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Would you recommend to other Romanians interested in coming to the UK to still come now during in the transition period until January 1, 2021 when the same EU free movement rules apply?

  • Walking the street you hear all kinds of aberrations, the people are misinformed. If honest people want to work, why not? There is a bread here for everyone. But knowing our folks, some people come to mess around with phones, cars, videos, from all nations not only ours. Everyone hates immigrants because of them, but yes from my point of view, yes they should come, why not.
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Romanians EIGHT times as likely to be jailed here as Britons: Shock new figures show they are worst offenders with 11,000 arrested each year... as foreign nationals fill 1 in 8 UK prison places

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963368/Romanians-EIGHT-times-likely-jailed-Britons.html

only one step from 'stealing our women' and 'giving us AIDS'

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only one step from 'stealing our women' and 'giving us AIDS'

The French officially ban any kind of studies about the ethnicity of eg prison inmates, they tell you that it is to stop bigotry but on the other hand it makes it difficult to prove that eg the french legal system is biased against ethnic minorities.

That some romainian criminals end up in the UK is really on a par with the car thefts around us being due to scousers (recent arrests have shown). Just the attraction of relative wealth and a police force that does not recognise the perpetrators.

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The French officially ban any kind of studies about the ethnicity of eg prison inmates, they tell you that it is to stop bigotry but on the other hand it makes it difficult to prove that eg the french legal system is biased against ethnic minorities.

That some romainian criminals end up in the UK is really on a par with the car thefts around us being due to scousers (recent arrests have shown). Just the attraction of relative wealth and a police force that does not recognise the perpetrators.

There are still those that blame Scousers for Hillsborough

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No.

DM aside, these are actual hard numbers rather than some sort 'feeling'

Romanians are doing very well out of UK in work benefits propping up low paid work.

The UK tax payer less so.

 

We all know your form for taking numbers to suit your own narrative.  It's par for the Daily Fail, so I'm justified using the same generalisations.

By your same method, Scousers were more likely to be arrested for Hillsborough, so they must be to blame.  Feel free to travel to Liverpool and espouse your logic there

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We all know your form for taking numbers to suit your own narrative.  It's par for the Daily Fail, so I'm justified using the same generalisations.

By your same method, Scousers were more likely to be arrested for Hillsborough, so they must be to blame.  Feel free to travel to Liverpool and espouse your logic there

Its a DM article, based on numbers released by the Home office.

As the EU registration continues my estimate (6m+)  is looking closer to the reality compared to the number bandied around at the Brexit vote (2.7m)

 

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The French officially ban any kind of studies about the ethnicity of eg prison inmates, they tell you that it is to stop bigotry but on the other hand it makes it difficult to prove that eg the french legal system is biased against ethnic minorities.

That some romainian criminals end up in the UK is really on a par with the car thefts around us being due to scousers (recent arrests have shown). Just the attraction of relative wealth and a police force that does not recognise the perpetrators.

The same article does say

"The bulk of those jailed – 34,168 out of 39,773 – are Britons and only a tiny minority of foreign nationals fall foul of the law."

 

It is surprising that some nationalities are so much more likely to break the law than others  I would love to see a full breakdown

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The same article does say

"The bulk of those jailed – 34,168 out of 39,773 – are Britons and only a tiny minority of foreign nationals fall foul of the law."

 

It is surprising that some nationalities are so much more likely to break the law than others  I would love to see a full breakdown

the stats are all here

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

The one that stands out actually is albanian, make up more than 1% of the prison population, there are only 4m albanians in the whole world, officially there are 13,000 albanians in the uk, which means that 8% of all uk based albanians have comitted serious offences

Why? they tend to have mafia style organised crime families. I have always thought that cultures that encourage people to have total loyalty to the family or gang and deny any responsibility to wider society in general are more inclined to commit crime. Some of the recent honour killings have involved breaking ranks an describing how they saw their father murder their sister. They will apparently need police protection for life after giving evidence.

Then there other crimes that some countries cultures take more seriously than others. As an example, the rise in drink driving offences in east anglia. Boston Lincs is the worst place for it in the UK per capita. They also voted leave by the biggest majority....

https://keepmydrivinglicence.co.uk/2016/05/high-drink-driving-levels-blamed-eastern-european-immigrants/

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The same article does say

"The bulk of those jailed – 34,168 out of 39,773 – are Britons and only a tiny minority of foreign nationals fall foul of the law."

 

It is surprising that some nationalities are so much more likely to break the law than others  I would love to see a full breakdown

I think currently there are more Lithuanians in UK prisons than there are Brits living in Lithuania.

 

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the stats are all here

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

The one that stands out actually is albanian, make up more than 1% of the prison population, there are only 4m albanians in the whole world, officially there are 13,000 albanians in the uk, which means that 8% of all uk based albanians have comitted serious offences

Why? they tend to have mafia style organised crime families. I have always thought that cultures that encourage people to have total loyalty to the family or gang and deny any responsibility to wider society in general are more inclined to commit crime. Some of the recent honour killings have involved breaking ranks an describing how they saw their father murder their sister. They will apparently need police protection for life after giving evidence.

Then there other crimes that some countries cultures take more seriously than others. As an example, the rise in drink driving offences in east anglia. Boston Lincs is the worst place for it in the UK per capita. They also voted leave by the biggest majority....

https://keepmydrivinglicence.co.uk/2016/05/high-drink-driving-levels-blamed-eastern-european-immigrants/

Albanians are just the worst of a bad bunch.

None of the Balkan countries - and Im including Greece - should have ever been allowed to join the EU.

Romanian and Bulgaria are pretty much mafia states.

Joining the EU has actually made them worse.

 

 

 

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the stats are all here

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

The one that stands out actually is albanian, make up more than 1% of the prison population, there are only 4m albanians in the whole world, officially there are 13,000 albanians in the uk, which means that 8% of all uk based albanians have comitted serious offences

Why? they tend to have mafia style organised crime families. I have always thought that cultures that encourage people to have total loyalty to the family or gang and deny any responsibility to wider society in general are more inclined to commit crime. Some of the recent honour killings have involved breaking ranks an describing how they saw their father murder their sister. They will apparently need police protection for life after giving evidence.

Then there other crimes that some countries cultures take more seriously than others. As an example, the rise in drink driving offences in east anglia. Boston Lincs is the worst place for it in the UK per capita. They also voted leave by the biggest majority....

https://keepmydrivinglicence.co.uk/2016/05/high-drink-driving-levels-blamed-eastern-european-immigrants/

Strangely, Boston Lincs is also the UK's murder captial.

https://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/boston-named-most-murderous-town-england-and-wales-801974

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/boston-serious-problem-violent-crime-2422865

Im sure the EE, drink driving and murder are not connected ...

 

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Joining the EU has actually made them worse.

 

 

 

This has always been my argument, none of the true EU believers will buy it though. Even when i give them official EU studies that demonstrate it is happening. There is no impetus to improve, trouble maker reformers will just leave and the left behind get worse. Meanwhile plenty of money to be made scamming the EU.

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-Do you think the UK citizens were right to vote to leave the EU? Will it be a better life for them and for us immigrants in the future?

 

 

  • No, the people were misinformed when it was voted, the only reason Brexit was voted for, was immigration. Economically speaking the UK will suffer. Immigration could also be stopped inside the EU. Whatever, they chose now and you can’t fight the windmills. If you are an honest Romanian and you mind your own business doing your job, nobody will have any issue with you. And not only for Romanians is this valid. There are a lot of Romanians who have abused the system and applied for benefits, and the authorities have opened their eyes now and started cleaning house. The problem is when you start cutting the sick branches of the tree, healthy branches also fall.

I used to work with a (very capable) Romanian doctor.  She said that she knew Brexit was going to happen when she walked through Hyde Park and saw lots of Roma there.  In her view, if the UK was interpreting FOM to allow the Roma in then it was all over.

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I used to work with a (very capable) Romanian doctor.  She said that she knew Brexit was going to happen when she walked through Hyde Park and saw lots of Roma there.  In her view, if the UK was interpreting FOM to allow the Roma in then it was all over.

Every Romanian I’ve worked with has pure hated the Roma. 

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In her view, if the UK was interpreting FOM to allow the Roma in then it was all over.

The UK didn't 'let the Roma in'. Romania joined the EU and with that (as the EU is so keen to remind the UK) comes freedom of movement rights for all Romanians. The UK's interpretation of a Romanian citizen is the holder of a Romanian passport or ID card. The fact that mainstream Romanians consider the Roma, a whole section of their geography and society, as "not Romanian" whereas the UK does consider them Romanian following international standards of citizenship is very revealing. 

 

Every Romanian I’ve worked with has pure hated the Roma. 

Likewise, and, as above, their open and vocal discrimination about a part of their society tells you a lot about Romania. I'm always interested in the disgust and outrage from Romanians when you confuse the terms 'Roma' and 'Romanian' when looking for the collective term for Romanian person/people. 

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The UK didn't 'let the Roma in'. Romania joined the EU and with that (as the EU is so keen to remind the UK) comes freedom of movement rights for all Romanians. The UK's interpretation of a Romanian citizen is the holder of a Romanian passport or ID card. The fact that mainstream Romanians consider the Roma, a whole section of their geography and society, as "not Romanian" whereas the UK does consider them Romanian following international standards of citizenship is very revealing.

Buried somewhere in the 5000+ pages of the Brexit thread are descriptions of the EU's rules to prevent FOM migrants becoming a burden on the state which the UK didn't implement.  It's far too late for that now of course.

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Balkan countries - and Im including Greece - should have ever been allowed to join the EU.

Romanian and Bulgaria are pretty much mafia states.

Joining the EU has actually made them worse.

Well the UK was part of the EU's decision making process of enveloping Eastern Europe, which seemed like a good idea at the time, with cheap labour and undeveloped markets (and would reduce Moscow's influence even more after the Soviet system shattered).

The UK was acting as a conduit for Washington DC's influence in the EU to counterbalance Paris and Berlin (leading to the mess with the EU today).

The Roma developed into a weird subculture and prone to being petty crooks, a lot of convergent similarities to the Irish Travellers, so often shunned by mainstream society - they suffered terribly under the Nazi regime.

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Buried somewhere in the 5000+ pages of the Brexit thread are descriptions of the EU's rules to prevent FOM migrants becoming a burden on the state which the UK didn't implement.  It's far too late for that now of course.

The rules basically assume that countries have ID card systems and a registry of local residents. 27/28 of the EU states do, guess which one does not.

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This has always been my argument, none of the true EU believers will buy it though. Even when i give them official EU studies that demonstrate it is happening. There is no impetus to improve, trouble maker reformers will just leave and the left behind get worse. Meanwhile plenty of money to be made scamming the EU.

Really? Even Angela Merkel said the lesson from the Balkans is that it is easier to solve problems before states join than afterwards.

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Really? Even Angela Merkel said the lesson from the Balkans is that it is easier to solve problems before states join than afterwards.

What problems? https://spectator.us/sweden-epidemic-clan-based-crime/ 

There's surely no such thing! Everything is utopia, all people are exactly the same, harmless, innocent, full of good intentions. 

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What problems? https://spectator.us/sweden-epidemic-clan-based-crime/ 

There's surely no such thing! Everything is utopia, all people are exactly the same, harmless, innocent, full of good intentions. 

Well, that's an entirely different kind of problem caused by transplanting people from war zones into rich countries.

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