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Here is what I wrote:

Partiality in reporting.

I have read the article by Yorkshire Bank you have referred to and it does not say that 1 in 5 FTBs are willing to pay over the asking price. What it does say is quoted below:
"A further indication of an improving mood in the housing market is that one in five (21 per cent) buyers would be willing to offer above the asking price on a property they really wanted."
As a lawyer I am well aquainted with spin and the art of cross-examination. There is, in my submission, a world of difference between what you have reported and what the article actually says. The minority of buyers willing to pay over the asking price would only do so for a special property, not property in general. Had this same minority been asked if they would pay more for the general run of the mill property on offer they might well have said NO.
You have also conveniently overlooked the following, I quote:
"Yorkshire Bank also found sellers more willing to stand their ground in negotiations. One-in-six (16 per cent) sellers would be unwilling to accept offers under the asking price –"
Far from positive news, this survey is stating quite plainly that 5 out of 6 sellers are now willing to accept reduced offers.
The BBC turns a blind eye to any negative news concerning affordability. The article you quote also overlooks the following, I quote:
"One factor deterring first-time buyers is the prospect of higher council tax. Yorkshire Bank found almost one-in-four (23 per cent) first-time buyers are putting off plans to buy until local councils announce their charges for the year ahead"
This week has seen a number of reports of record repossessions and bankruptcies. To read the BBC reports anyone would think the Chancellor has actually succeeded in creating the perpetual miracle economy.
I am feeling constrained to take this matter up with my MP for an investigation as the level of bias in BBC reporting is disturbing. However, before taking this step I shall be pleased to receive your response.

Here is their reply received today:

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Breakfast'.

I am sorry if you were disappointed by the programme's

coverage of the

housing market on the 28 January.

In the course of that morning's broadcast 'Breakfast'

offered a

straightforward news report on the number of first

time buyers in the

property market. It was pointed out that this is

thought to have dropped

to its lowest level for twenty five years and that

they appear to be having

to save harder and for longer in order to get onto the

housing ladder.

In addition there was a discussion with a first time

buyer in a shared

ownership scheme - and a mortgage advisor. This was

quite specific about

how difficult it can be for first time buyers to get

into the housing

market. It also looked at some of the alternatives

available such as

shared ownership with housing association.

Within the confines of this type of report and a short

discussion piece it

was simply not possible to explore the pros and cons

of a home ownership

culture in depth which seems to be were your concerns

lie.

However, this is an interesting topic which no doubt

the BBC will cover

again when there is a relevant opportunity.

Nevertheless, I appreciate

your concerns. Please be assured that your e-mail has

been registered on

our daily log which will be made available to the

'Breakfast' team and

senior management.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact the

BBC.

Regards

Natasha Mellon

BBC Information

__________________________________________________

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ - World Wide Wonderland

How do we find the BBC, guilty or not guilty of spin?

How do we find their reply to the charges, satisfactory or not satisfactory?

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Veru good letter rb, and congratulations on getting a response. Miss Mellons either knows she's talking crap or has vested interests herself, however as more and more people inside the bbc become aware they must start taking notice sooner or later.

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We need to put someone forward for media so they can represent the "FTB Forum" instead of just a load of unthinking estate agents appearing on TV, or politicians bleating on about the virtues of owning half a hamster cage, it's the same way they always rollout that cheerful old bloke when the matter of pensions comes into question, we need a chippy potential first-time buyer for the TV.

We need someone to put out some plain rhetoricals and dispel myths, there is perception amongst some people that housing is affordable and it's all the young peoples' fault for "wanting it all", "expecting too much" and the fact "we had to struggle too at first (then inflation bailed out our sorry asses)". There is the view that people are mindless spendthrifts because those young folk have those "iPods", do they realise that over the last 4 years a £200 iPod only represents two days worth of house price inflation.

The ~10% council tax increases that have caused so much upset and hype in the media only actually amount to around £100 rise per annum, which is obviously not nice for people on fixed incomes but it's a damn sight better than £100 per day in house price inflation. Not to mention the fact everyone, including those renting needs to pay council tax.

Do we have any photogenic, media-savvy, soundbite friendly representatives in the London area? We need some one that appeals to politicians and the wider public, preferably a young women with astounding knockers that would outclass Sarah Beeny, this is the only language politicians understand.

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We need to put someone forward for media so they can represent the "FTB Forum" instead of just a load of unthinking estate agents appearing on TV, or politicians bleating on about the virtues of owning half a hamster cage, it's the same way they always rollout that cheerful old bloke when the matter of pensions comes into question, we need a chippy potential first-time buyer for the TV.

We need someone to put out some plain rhetoricals and dispel myths, there is perception amongst some people that housing is affordable and it's all the young peoples' fault for "wanting it all", "expecting too much" and the fact "we had to struggle too at first (then inflation bailed out our sorry asses)". There is the view that people are mindless spendthrifts because those young folk have those "iPods", do they realise that over the last 4 years a £200 iPod only represents two days worth of house price inflation.

The ~10% council tax increases that have caused so much upset and hype in the media only actually amount to around £100 rise per annum, which is obviously not nice for people on fixed incomes but it's a damn sight better than £100 per day in house price inflation. Not to mention the fact everyone, including those renting needs to pay council tax.

Do we have any photogenic, media-savvy, soundbite friendly representatives in the London area? We need some one that appeals to politicians and the wider public, preferably a young women with astounding knockers that would outclass Sarah Beeny, this is the only language politicians understand.

I thought Bubble Pricker had already represented the HPC forum on a number of programmes.

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I thought Bubble Pricker had already represented the HPC forum on a number of programmes.

Did Bubble Pricker do the BBC radio interviews? He was great, we need more of that! Sizable assets have no comparative advantage on radio so he did great.

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I wrote to the BBC as well, after watching that appalling report and I got more or less the same letter although it was signed off by someone else!!! :angry:

Dear Ms A

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Breakfast' shown on the 28 January

2006.

I am sorry if you were disappointed by the programme's coverage of the

housing market on this occasion.

In the course of that morning's broadcast 'Breakfast' offered a

straightforward news report on the number of first time buyers in the

property market. It was pointed out that this is thought to have dropped

to its lowest level for twenty five years and that they appear to be having

to save harder and for longer in order to get onto the housing ladder.

In addition there was a discussion with a first time buyer in a shared

ownership scheme - and a mortgage advisor. This was quite specific about

how difficult it can be for first time buyers to get into the housing

market. It also looked at some of the alternatives available such as

shared ownership with housing association.

Within the confines of this type of report and a short discussion piece it

was simply not possible to explore the pros and cons of a home ownership

culture in depth which seems to be were your concerns lie.

However, this is an interesting topic which no doubt the BBC will cover

again when there is a relevant opportunity.

I hope that this goes some way in clarifying the situation; however I note

that you take a different view. Please be assured that I have registered

your complaint and concerns on the daily log, this is an internal document

which will be made available to the 'Breakfast' production team as well as

the senior management of the BBC.

May I take this opportunity to thank you again for taking time to contact

the BBC.

Regards

Katherine Tsang

BBC Information

________________________________________

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ - World Wide Wonderland

Nice to see they're taking the time out to review everyone's points individually eh??/ <_<

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Regards

Katherine Tsang

BBC Information

________________________________________

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ - World Wide Wonderland

Nice try, I do love the Beeb's signature, it's very subtle, you often that Alice Through the Looking Glass feeling when watching the BBC's news output.

At this point it's fair to say that the Beeb are so wedded to the Nu-Labour machine and the Brownite cause that they appear totally beyond redemption, our attention would be better focued on other outlets.

When things turn sour, and they always do, people will be ever thankful of the honesty and forewarning from the everpresent BBC.

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Made-up pornstar name. No one at the beeb actually wants to put their name to the spin, such is their guilty shame at non-stop daily property ramping! :D

Actually it seems it's for real, on that page you can see Miss Mellons selecting toys with two other colleagues.

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We need to put someone forward for media so they can represent the "FTB Forum"

Do we have any photogenic, media-savvy, soundbite friendly representatives in the London area? We need some one that appeals to politicians and the wider public, preferably a young women with astounding knockers that would outclass Sarah Beeny, this is the only language politicians understand.

I believe Pete Burns is looking for work after leaving Big Brother...

Also, I could have told you all in advance you would just get a rubber stamp letter in reply.

This standard rubberstamp reply to their article was probably composed before Realistbear emailed them to complain.

Your letter obviously worked very well - you got them worried - Excellent work!!!!!!

Yeah, right.

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Well done the BBC for disregarding an irrelevance such as you.

Agreed. One bit that made me laugh was the sheer hypocrisy of RB. He/she has managed this in the space of a few lines in the letter...

You have also conveniently overlooked the following, I quote:

"Yorkshire Bank also found sellers more willing to stand their ground in negotiations. One-in-six (16 per cent) sellers would be unwilling to accept offers under the asking price –"

Far from positive news, this survey is stating quite plainly that 5 out of 6 sellers are now willing to accept reduced offers.

Realistbear then 'complains' some more...

The BBC turns a blind eye to any negative news concerning affordability. The article you quote also overlooks the following, I quote:

"One factor deterring first-time buyers is the prospect of higher council tax. Yorkshire Bank found almost one-in-four (23 per cent) first-time buyers are putting off plans to buy until local councils announce their charges for the year ahead"

So using Realistbear's logic, this is surely POSITIVE news as it states 'quite plainly' that 3 out of 4 FTBs aren't bothered about council tax charges.

So is this really POSITIVE news or NEGATIVE news? Over to you, RB...

:lol:

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Here is what I wrote:

Partiality in reporting.

I have read the article by Yorkshire Bank you have referred to and it does not say that 1 in 5 FTBs are willing to pay over the asking price. What it does say is quoted below:
"A further indication of an improving mood in the housing market is that one in five (21 per cent) buyers would be willing to offer above the asking price on a property they really wanted."
As a lawyer I am well aquainted with spin and the art of cross-examination. There is, in my submission, a world of difference between what you have reported and what the article actually says. The minority of buyers willing to pay over the asking price would only do so for a special property, not property in general. Had this same minority been asked if they would pay more for the general run of the mill property on offer they might well have said NO.
You have also conveniently overlooked the following, I quote:
"Yorkshire Bank also found sellers more willing to stand their ground in negotiations. One-in-six (16 per cent) sellers would be unwilling to accept offers under the asking price –"
Far from positive news, this survey is stating quite plainly that 5 out of 6 sellers are now willing to accept reduced offers.
The BBC turns a blind eye to any negative news concerning affordability. The article you quote also overlooks the following, I quote:
"One factor deterring first-time buyers is the prospect of higher council tax. Yorkshire Bank found almost one-in-four (23 per cent) first-time buyers are putting off plans to buy until local councils announce their charges for the year ahead"
This week has seen a number of reports of record repossessions and bankruptcies. To read the BBC reports anyone would think the Chancellor has actually succeeded in creating the perpetual miracle economy.
I am feeling constrained to take this matter up with my MP for an investigation as the level of bias in BBC reporting is disturbing. However, before taking this step I shall be pleased to receive your response.

Here is their reply received today:

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Breakfast'.

I am sorry if you were disappointed by the programme's

coverage of the

housing market on the 28 January.

In the course of that morning's broadcast 'Breakfast'

offered a

straightforward news report on the number of first

time buyers in the

property market. It was pointed out that this is

thought to have dropped

to its lowest level for twenty five years and that

they appear to be having

to save harder and for longer in order to get onto the

housing ladder.

In addition there was a discussion with a first time

buyer in a shared

ownership scheme - and a mortgage advisor. This was

quite specific about

how difficult it can be for first time buyers to get

into the housing

market. It also looked at some of the alternatives

available such as

shared ownership with housing association.

Within the confines of this type of report and a short

discussion piece it

was simply not possible to explore the pros and cons

of a home ownership

culture in depth which seems to be were your concerns

lie.

However, this is an interesting topic which no doubt

the BBC will cover

again when there is a relevant opportunity.

Nevertheless, I appreciate

your concerns. Please be assured that your e-mail has

been registered on

our daily log which will be made available to the

'Breakfast' team and

senior management.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact the

BBC.

Regards

Natasha Mellon

BBC Information

__________________________________________________

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ - World Wide Wonderland

How do we find the BBC, guilty or not guilty of spin?

How do we find their reply to the charges, satisfactory or not satisfactory?

I have requested the official statistics from the ONS..

Essentially.

Population over the last 50 years..

amount of homes available.

That way I hope to show that the housing shortage is not a phrase they can use..

(I hope...)

If it is as clear as I hope it is I will supply an E-mail link on here and ask that everyone E-mail the BBC with the same figures..

Should clear the housing shortage comments once and for all..

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I have requested the official statistics from the ONS..

Essentially.

Population over the last 50 years..

amount of homes available.

That way I hope to show that the housing shortage is not a phrase they can use..

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How many people per house?

There's a lot of singletons these days.

I'm not sure you can be any wiser given the figures.

Do you mean unoccupied houses or ALL houses BTW.

Some of the houses will be unsuitable for habitation and LOTS of houses will be in the wrong areas.

But good luck massaging the figures and I look forward to the rubberstamp reply from the BBC to your email...

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Hang on a minute am i missing something here??

Wasn't Realistbear complaining about this article on the BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4678564.stm

But the reply seems to be refering to a feature on BBC Breakfast on BBC1????????

No i've just checked they are refering to the program breakfast and not the web article do you think they even read the complaint??

The BBC really are very very poor!!

Please correct me if i'm wrong

Phil :angry:

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How many people per house?

There's a lot of singletons these days.

I'm not sure you can be any wiser given the figures.

Do you mean unoccupied houses or ALL houses BTW.

Some of the houses will be unsuitable for habitation and LOTS of houses will be in the wrong areas.

But good luck massaging the figures and I look forward to the rubberstamp reply from the BBC to your email...

No massaging.

Just the figures..

If I am told that.

People live differently... blah.. location.. blah..

Then that is spin.

If the trend shows growing numbers of housing.. then the only answer is spin...

its ben boom bust boom for about 20 years..

what do we know?

a lot of things..

do we know anything at all about how people do want to live?

boom bust boom.. two decades....

no we don't

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No massaging.

Just the figures..

If I am told that.

People live differently... blah.. location.. blah..

Then that is spin.

If the trend shows growing numbers of housing.. then the only answer is spin...

its ben boom bust boom for about 20 years..

what do we know?

a lot of things..

do we know anything at all about how people do want to live?

boom bust boom.. two decades....

no we don't

I think your poetry would improve immeasurably if you paid attention to cadence and rhyme. Often your point is lost as your poems peter out rather than build to a crescendo.

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Hang on a minute am i missing something here??

Wasn't Realistbear complaining about this article on the BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4678564.stm

But the reply seems to be refering to a feature on BBC Breakfast on BBC1????????

No i've just checked they are refering to the program breakfast and not the web article do you think they even read the complaint??

The BBC really are very very poor!!

Please correct me if i'm wrong

Phil :angry:

I think you are right! Must have sent an "auto-reply." :lol:

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