Kosmin Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, longgone said: Shame harry and Megan left if charlie snuffs it. Harry has an older brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 38 minutes ago, Arpeggio said: If you think this is important share it https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/ “The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C............vitamin C levels in coronavirus patients drop dramatically when they suffer sepsis, an inflammatory response that occurs when their bodies overreact to the infection." I previously mentioned this study for Sepsis: https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(16)62564-3/fulltext "The hospital mortality was 8.5% (4 of 47) in the treatment group compared with 40.4% (19 of 47) in the control group (P < .001)" Sepsis is one of the leading complication of influenza deaths. 11 million death a year. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sepsis-deadlier-than-cancer-as-study-shows-11m-deaths-a-year-vnjqdmpts https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8149191/New-York-hospitals-treating-corona-patients-6000-milligrams-VITAMIN-C.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticket2ride Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Kosmin said: His approval rating could be rising because he and other Republicans have talked of providing something like UBI. Vive La Republique! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, longgone said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8149191/New-York-hospitals-treating-corona-patients-6000-milligrams-VITAMIN-C.html Thanks. The comments on there look interesting. Edited March 25, 2020 by Arpeggio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Bruce Banner said: Breaking News.... Prince Charles has Covid-19. If true this could mean ..., Prince William become King sooner than he thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Cummings' new three word slogan "Protect our NHS" is rolling off the tongues of every official from BJ down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Cummings' new three word slogan "Protect our NHS" is rolling off the tongues of every official from BJ down. How about some fooking PPE instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said: Cummings' new three word slogan "Protect our NHS" is rolling off the tongues of every official from BJ down. Protect NHS from what exactly? Coronavirus, number of serious cases, from people, ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsBuild Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Pop321 said: Just scanned through this thread and interesting how many on here (no judgement because myself included) have gone from certainty that it is an over reaction to a normal flu....to where were are today. 24th Jan...that is a great spot by OP. To think it is one thing...to think it enough to post a thread in Jan certainly beat my radar. And in answer to your question....yes. What I am now not sure about is for how long the economy will remain 'tipped'. Months, years, many years? Yes I wish I was wrong, but it was the severity of the Chinese lockdown that made me think ‘this is big’. I did my panic buying that day, so at least I didn’t add to the recent panic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stop_the_craziness Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Cummings' new three word slogan "Protect our NHS" is rolling off the tongues of every official from BJ down. When I first started noticing the Three Word Slogans on the lecterns in the daily briefings I thought they could have at least made the effort to make ALL of them three words otherwise it just looks sloppy when you see Stay at Home Protect the NHS Save Lives "Save Lives" could have been Save More Lives" or something like that. Didn't try hard enough ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButter Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, stop_the_craziness said: When I first started noticing the Three Word Slogans on the lecterns in the daily briefings I thought they could have at least made the effort to make ALL of them three words otherwise it just looks sloppy when you see Stay at Home Protect the NHS Save Lives "Save Lives" could have been Save More Lives" or something like that. Didn't try hard enough ? I expect he’s prepping for Don’t Blame Me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Ap Word Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, stop_the_craziness said: When I first started noticing the Three Word Slogans on the lecterns in the daily briefings I thought they could have at least made the effort to make ALL of them three words otherwise it just looks sloppy when you see Stay at Home Protect the NHS Save Lives "Save Lives" could have been Save More Lives" or something like that. Didn't try hard enough ? Is it just me or are the slogans in the wrong order? Surely: Stay at Home Save Lives Protect the NHS All of these are important ... but if you want me to do something give me the best reason you can for asking. Saving lives is - to me - even more important than protecting the NHS. Protecting the NHS is a means to an end - not (as implied by their order of precendence) the end in itself ... surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: I expect he’s prepping for Don’t Blame Me. No F**king Chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, rollover said: If true this could mean ..., Prince William become King sooner than he thought. William would make a better king than Charles, who's mildly nuts. On the other hand maybe he can cure himself with homeopathy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Quote Caught violating a strict 21-day curfew imposed across India Police used rattan canes to beat people into compliance as New Delhi's typically bustling streets and train station were all-but cleared of people in an unprecedented move to try and slow the spread of the disease. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Aidan Ap Word said: Is it just me or are the slogans in the wrong order? Surely: Stay at Home Save Lives Protect the NHS All of these are important ... but if you want me to do something give me the best reason you can for asking. Saving lives is - to me - even more important than protecting the NHS. Protecting the NHS is a means to an end - not (as implied by their order of precendence) the end in itself ... surely? "Protect Our NHS" is a clever and emotive slogan, on a par with "Take Back Control" . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Kosmin said: This is clearly an interesting area. It is worthwhile looking at "years of life would be lost" as well as lives lost. But it seems like spurious accuracy about the level of GDP necessary to make "beating the virus" net negative, considering the uncertainty around how many lives will be lost, how many years of life will be lost and how many will have serious health issues and how serious those health issues will be. “Years of life” is an interesting measure, because it means the death of a 40 year old is equivalent to the death of probably twenty 90 year olds. Would you sacrifice twenty 90 year olds in poor health to save one 40 year old in good health? Quite a complex moral question. The 6.4% I’m sure is just a model output and not an attempt to say that particular figure is exact - I’d prefer it if they said “ around 6 to 7 per cent” but I guess the public prefer exact numbers from inexact modelling - just look at how the weather forecast quite exact millimetres of rain to fall etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Aidan Ap Word said: Is it just me or are the slogans in the wrong order? Surely: Stay at Home Save Lives Protect the NHS All of these are important ... but if you want me to do something give me the best reason you can for asking. Saving lives is - to me - even more important than protecting the NHS. Protecting the NHS is a means to an end - not (as implied by their order of precendence) the end in itself ... surely? What do you think about another slogan "build herd immunity"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, scottbeard said: “Years of life” is an interesting measure, because it means the death of a 40 year old is equivalent to the death of probably twenty 90 year olds. Would you sacrifice twenty 90 year olds in poor health to save one 40 year old in good health? Quite a complex moral question. Indeed and not there's not just the question of "years of life" or even quality of life years. We would also have to consider that a dead 30-50 year old is often one with young children or who may have had children, so the impact on children and spouse is much worse than the death of elderly people. 35 minutes ago, scottbeard said: The 6.4% I’m sure is just a model output and not an attempt to say that particular figure is exact - I’d prefer it if they said “ around 6 to 7 per cent” but I guess the public prefer exact numbers from inexact modelling Quoting 6.4% wasn't the only problem I was referring to. If they are saying GDP goes down by 6-7% and the corresponding number of years of life lost is not many ("beating the virus"), but if GDP remains roughly the same and the corresponding number of years of life lost is a lot, this is meaningless unless they tell us what is "not many" and what is "not a lot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy T Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said: Cummings' new three word slogan "Protect our NHS" is rolling off the tongues of every official from BJ down. Anything, anything is better than 'Turn the tide' 30 minutes ago, rollover said: What do you think about another slogan "build herd immunity"? Yes but the thicko's won't understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, stop_the_craziness said: When I first started noticing the Three Word Slogans on the lecterns in the daily briefings I thought they could have at least made the effort to make ALL of them three words otherwise it just looks sloppy when you see Protect the NHS This is five words really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy T Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Visited a large Asda store today - made to queue outside to get in. Seemed to be a one in, one out policy, although daft member of staff blocking the doorway was not allowing for 2 metre separation.. Got in after about 15 minutes wait - store almost dead, must of been 10-15 shoppers in there at the most. stock starting to re-appear, some pasta / bog roll / painkillers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, rollover said: What do you think about another slogan "build herd immunity"? Wash Your Hands Give Incoherent Advice Blame The Public Dominic Cummings Going Resignation and Suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kosmin said: Indeed and not there's not just the question of "years of life" or even quality of life years. We would also have to consider that a dead 30-50 year old is often one with young children or who may have had children, so the impact on children and spouse is much worse than the death of elderly people. Quoting 6.4% wasn't the only problem I was referring to. If they are saying GDP goes down by 6-7% and the corresponding number of years of life lost is not many ("beating the virus"), but if GDP remains roughly the same and the corresponding number of years of life lost is a lot, this is meaningless unless they tell us what is "not many" and what is "not a lot." It is up to you to look and find out the detail if you are interested. The mainstream media is not going to bother publishing the no doubt many pages of detailed information. assumptions and confidence bands behind the number simply because almost no one will click on/read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andy T said: Visited a large Asda store today - made to queue outside to get in. Seemed to be a one in, one out policy, although daft member of staff blocking the doorway was not allowing for 2 metre separation.. Got in after about 15 minutes wait - store almost dead, must of been 10-15 shoppers in there at the most. stock starting to re-appear, some pasta / bog roll / painkillers. Shopping is now becoming an improved experience, yesterday almost fully stocked (no bog rolls but everything else available) and no queues. Only irritation was the twentysomething waived me in as a priority customer, cheeky b*stard I thought. Later found out the priority age was 60 not 70 so a bit less outraged but still not happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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