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The Preacherman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Evidence of protective role of Ultraviolet-B (UVB) radiation in reducing COVID-19 deaths We find a significant negative association between UVI and COVID-19 deaths, indicating evidence of the protective role of UVB in mitigating COVID-19 deaths. If confirmed via clinical studies, then the possibility of mitigating COVID-19 deaths via sensible sunlight exposure or vitamin D intervention would be very attractive. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-74825-z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticket2ride Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Cases seem to have peaked, or at least are close to it; the numbers support being there in Manchester and close to it in the country as a whole. Saying that is not being a "sceptic", it's being someone who's looked at the data. Deaths lag cases, that's well known, so it's no surprise that they'll carry on going upwards for a little longer. Pretty tragic that you paint simply drawing conclusions from data as "spreading disinfo." Pull the other one, this thread is awash quack remedies and premature claims that the pandemic is over. Poster furiously churning out utter drivel day after day, repeating the same discredited nonsense. Covid + flu + old age + false positives Probably half true. Shame the UK decided to spend £12 billion on outsourcing track & trace to a company with no expertise, instead of investing the money in local efforts. We might have a world beating system by now and not need the blunt instrument of lockdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Update from Argentina showing the benefits of face masks and lockdown. Edited October 20, 2020 by The Preacherman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Pull the other one, this thread is awash quack remedies and premature claims that the pandemic is over. Poster furiously churning out utter drivel day after day, repeating the same discredited nonsense. Probably half true. Shame the UK decided to spend £12 billion on outsourcing track & trace to a company with no expertise, instead of investing the money in local efforts. We might have a world beating system by now and not need the blunt instrument of lockdown. That £12bn would have been better spent on bolstering the NHS for winter and shielding the vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The law very much is a two-way bargain. We agree to follow it if it agrees to be set reasonably. When either side steps out of line you've got a problem and the justice, and hence legitimacy, of its position falls in to question. There are plenty of examples where it's pretty clear-cut, in other times and places where the law has gone way too out of line and those who stopped obeying it are accepted as being in the right by history. We've gone nowhere near that far, nowhere near it being a clritarian ar-cut, unambiguous example, but it illustrates the pointri Nearly everyone speeds. They've not increased the speed limits as a result. We live in an authoritarian regime, have you not noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koala_bear Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 For some reason they seem to have managed to process a lot more tests earlier than usual. An extra 50k daily tests vs 10 days ago which has hopefully started to clear the backlog so they should be able to done quick returns from now on. Week day testing capacity still better than weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 More bad covid news for porkers. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02946-6 How obesity could create problems for a COVID vaccine Researchers fear that vaccines might not be as effective in people who are obese, a population already highly vulnerable to COVID-19. Obese people should be paid money to lose weight. Come back to the doctor in a month. Lost 5 pounds? 200 quid. If you get fat again for no reason other than so you can make money, 50% comes off payments. Eventually your in the same boat as a non obese person with or without a job. If this has a relapse rate of 50% then you've still reduced obesity by 50%. Obviously with more thought that could be fine tuned, maybe some kind of vouchers for something instead of money. People who are not obese should not complain, I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 What's a skeptic in your eyes. What things are they skeptical of? There is no way fatalities in USA will go over 3K There is no way fatalities in the US will go over 100K. There is no way... The disease is over in June. The disease is over July. The disease is over in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This time Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Herd immunity is an accepted part of epidemic models, it how an epidemic eventuality peters out. Yes eventually personal immunity wears out like with other coronaviruses and the flu but this present the same issues for vaccines. This is why you have a flu jab each year. Arguably the Spanish Flu epidemic is still ongoing, it just mutated to a less deadly form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Pull the other one, this thread is awash quack remedies and premature claims that the pandemic is over. Poster furiously churning out utter drivel day after day, repeating the same discredited nonsense. Probably half true. Shame the UK decided to spend £12 billion on outsourcing track & trace to a company with no expertise, instead of investing the money in local efforts. We might have a world beating system by now and not need the blunt instrument of lockdown. Seriously ? Somebody needs to tell Andy Burnham lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankyman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 There is no way fatalities in USA will go over 3K There is no way fatalities in the US will go over 100K. There is no way... The disease is over in June. The disease is over July. The disease is over in... He said about 'sceptics' on this forum. Not sure any on here those things Anyway, without the lockdown do you know that it wouldn't be over by now? Deathwise that is. Look at Sweden's deaths. Nothing significant now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankyman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Arguably the Spanish Flu epidemic is still ongoing, it just mutated to a less deadly form. Like covid-19 is all the time too. In fact the self isolation people are doing when they get symptoms must be selecting milder virus phenotypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankyman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) An extra 50k daily tests vs 10 days ago which has hopefully started to clear the backlog so they should be able to done quick returns from now on. Week day testing capacity still better than weekends. Or could it be a massive jump in numbers of positives too? Maybe someone just looked behind another sofa cushion and discovered big bundle of results. Edited October 20, 2020 by swankyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 There is no way fatalities in USA will go over 3K There is no way fatalities in the US will go over 100K. There is no way... The disease is over in June. The disease is over July. The disease is over in... The 10pm curfew is based on scientific evidence. We are following the science on this. Totally based on the scientific evidence I've seen. Gets taken to court and demanded to share the evidence..... Last week, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the curfew was a "matter of policy choice" rather than driven by scientific advice. He claimed there is "direct and proximate evidence" for the positive impact of the limits on pubs and restaurants, citing a fall in alcohol-related A&E admissions late at night. Hahaha.. Right so it's to reduce alcohol related admissions late at night, not Cv19. Genius. On that logic why ever open? Its one thing a poster on a random forum to optimistically interpret data. It's another for a minister of state to just lie. I'm sure the millions facing unemployment in the hospitality sector will be pleased to know its actually to reduce a and e admissions.... Seems proportionate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Hahaha.. Right so it's to reduce alcohol related admissions late at night, not Cv19. Genius. On that logic why ever open? I've noticed the kids are going out even earlier. I was in the town centre last Saturday and they were all out dressed up like tarts, hanging around smoking at pub entrances etc at 3:30pm lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koala_bear Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Or could it be a massive jump in numbers of positives too? Maybe someone just looked behind another sofa cushion and discovered big bundle of results. Lab capacity for an extra daily 50k tests... Test positivity as reported today 5.9%, yesterday 5.7% An extra 28.8k tests reported today vs yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Lab capacity for an extra daily 50k tests... Test positivity as reported today 5.9%, yesterday 5.7% An extra 28.8k tests reported today vs yesterday Prefer to use the by specimum date charts as it gives a better picture particularly given how lumpy the by report date figures can be. Possibly a plateau forming now nationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24gray24 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Is there a consensus that we're going to be in stop go lockdown until everyone is either dead or bankrupt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Is there a consensus that we're going to be in stop go lockdown until everyone is either dead or bankrupt? Kudos to Van Tam trolling the government tonight. "Sorry could you repeat the question ? Yeah if we'd locked down for a couple of weeks a month ago it would have made a difference..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 He said about 'sceptics' on this forum. Not sure any on here those things Anyway, without the lockdown do you know that it wouldn't be over by now? Deathwise that is. Look at Sweden's deaths. Nothing significant now. Yes I wouldn't call it scepticism I'd call it textual diarrhoea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankyman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Yes I wouldn't call it scepticism I'd call it textual diarrhoea. I would call it different opinions on subjects where the data is very incomplete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hotblack42 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Just so everyone is on the same page Here are the deaths for Sweden: So I asked my son's girlfriend if the covid news from UK is generating unease about letting Brits in. Quite the contrary - Sweden is grateful for the reciprocal arrangement bringing business & tourist income & for being able to visit the UK freely. Sweden is the black sheep of Scandinavia at present. There are heavy restrictions on Swedes visiting Norway, Finland & Denmark. Surprised by this news. The bar we were in was lively 6-8 pm, but empty by 9. Most bars & restaurants we walked past on way back to apt were closed or empty. No curfew in Stockholm. Its all a bit bleak. Edited October 20, 2020 by hotblack42 Grama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyh Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I would say at least 5% of people i see when out have adopted the "wear the mask over your mouth but under your nose" approach. I assume there logic is if 100% have the mask on their mouths its not being spread in the air? So they are at no risk breathing in the air around them. then there is the farce of pubs and places to eat. You must have a mask on to walk to you table, then you are 100% safe and can just remove the mask, stuff your face, laugh, talk, take a deep breath. It Boggles me, like all these people actually believe the virus can only travel six inches from other peoples masks then it falls to the floor and dies. Fook that, still not eaten out since March. Collect takeaways (gingerly) and drive thoughs is it. If the virus was a purple spec we could see swirling around. No one would be out socialising or shopping, and as soon as it was spotted in an area not seen before, there would be panic. Mind you, those spotted with it comin out of their breath could be forcibly detained for public safety by cops in hazmat suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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