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'MMR fears coming true'

A former Government medical officer responsible for deciding whether medicines are safe has accused the Government of "utterly inexplicable complacency" over the MMR triple vaccine for children.

Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health, said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history".

He said he has seen a "steady accumulation of evidence" from scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children.

But he added: "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

I am a parent of an Autistic child, that truly believes the jab did damage my son.

I feel very angry at the Government and medical profession, for ignoring parents

that posed a simple question. "is this safe?" all lies are exposed in the end, but at what cost to individuals?

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I am a parent of an Autistic child, that truly believes the jab did damage my son.

I feel very angry at the Government and medical profession, for ignoring parents

that posed a simple question. "is this safe?" all lies are exposed in the end, but at what cost to individuals?

It is very difficult to know what to make of all this.

Some time has passed since I read anything extensive on this issue, but at the time I felt there were VIs (that word again) on both sides.

I am not a parent, but it stands to reason to me that three single jabs would be better for any child's system to cope with than a triple-whammy.

Also, whilst these three diseases are nasty, I caught two of them as a child and am now a strapping 6' 2" lad. I can't help thinking somebody somewhere is making a lot of money out of the MMR jab.

NDL

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It’s one of the important issues in the debate, why was the system changed?

The Government has constantly denied it’s because of costs.

Measles, mumps and rubella were once given in single doses.

except rubella, boys didn’t have that one.

The Government (IMO) was too quick to disperse any query on the safety

of the vaccine, without proper investigation. All vaccines have some side effects

on a small percentage of the population. But apparently not MMR?, according

to the Government it’s 100% okay. (must be a first in history)

They didn’t, and still don’t, listen to the parents of these children.

It’s just like the house price crash, all the signs were there, but vested interests

tried to silence those voices, ignoring them, spinning lies, and misinformation.

Bullying and tricking parents and Doctors into giving the jab.

Now the evidence is mounting, for most of the parents of MMR children

that have developed learning difficulties, it was inevitable, the spin is running out.

And the Government cannot ignore this anymore.

Yes, it is important for children to be immunised against these diseases.

And the Government has a responsibility to vaccinate to stop the spread.

They have failed to act appropriately, by giving parent the right to chose!

Instead we got the ‘Government is right… you are wrong!’ and that has

Resulted in a dangerously low vaccination rate that could cause an epidemic.

AND IT’S THE FAULT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

Both my children had the MMR jab. Only one developed autistic characteristics.

Literally within weeks of the jab! He was one and a half years old.

Before the vaccine he could name animals, cat, dog, bird etc…

I have him tapped doing this on video, shortly after the jab his speech and naming

regressed to ‘woof’ for dog and ‘meow’ for cat etc…and he stopped trying to learn.

Repetitive hand movements no eye contact and walking on tiptoe. All signs of autism.

We did get a lot of help from educational psychologists, he went to a specialist school

For assessment, then into mainstream education.

Not all autism is how you would perceive, from some documentaries on tv.

The term at the time was ‘high functioning autism’, now called ‘Aspergers Syndrome’.

He is very bright, another trait of ‘Aspergers’, but he has limited social cues that I

Believe will stay with him into adulthood.

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Thing is the government are no longer answerable to the people. You today and then me tomorrow will get stuffed one way or another and the only way to defend yourself if to unite and fight this endemic corruption in government, yes make them accountable for their actions

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I am a parent of an Autistic child, that truly believes the jab did damage my son.

I feel very angry at the Government and medical profession, for ignoring parents

that posed a simple question. "is this safe?" all lies are exposed in the end, but at what cost to individuals?

My friend believes her sons Aspergers syndrome was caused by this. But I read that symptoms of autism and aspergers manifest themselves around the age of 2 anyway.The age when these jabs are given It is supposedly just coincidence...???

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My friend believes her sons Aspergers syndrome was caused by this. But I read that symptoms of autism and aspergers manifest themselves around the age of 2 anyway.The age when these jabs are given It is supposedly just coincidence...???

The age of two is a key stage in development, it is where experts can

draw conclusions as to whether the child has ‘hit certain milestones’

Mainly language, comprehension and interaction with others.

My son only got referred to an Educational Psychologist after

A hearing test, to try to establish if he was deaf.

Parents know more about their children then Doctors give them credit for.

At one and a half his interaction did regress noticeably after the jab.

I believe now they give the MMR earlier

(I’m not sure, I think it’s 3 months old now.)

so now, no parent will notice any difference!

Autism is increasing alarmingly wordwide

http://www.brocku.ca/cmt/mdm4u/asprojects/...stismTrends.pdf

I saw a program on itv dismissing the fact autism increased ten-fold worldwide

After the vaccine was introduced. I can’t find the graph, but it started rising exactly

After the MMR replaced single vaccinations.

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Burntbefore,

We paid for our eldest to have a single measles jab, following much controversy and media interest re:MMR about 3 years ago. We had since became complacent and were thinking of giving our younger one the MMR, as we hadn't got 'round to ordering the single measles vaccine via the clinic. Thanks for reminding me of the real life issues involved in this decision. I will be giving her the same vaccine as her sister.

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My understanding on this issue is that a thorough study was conducted in Japan after they switched from the triple vaccine to the single vaccine in 1993. Since then, the instances of autism continued to rise sharply. (More info on the 2005 study)

This suggests there is no merit in switching to single vaccines with regard to autism. There is a wider issue of what is causing the increase - there are many theories, which include the possibility of the mercury preservative in vaccines (again, using the triple vaccine could actually lower the child's exposure to this). But at the moment there are no clues, and no reason to suspect any one event over another; it is easy to fall into the trap of believing correlation is causation (known in scientific terms as the post hoc fallacy)

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I will be giving her the same vaccine as her sister.

I take my hat off to you.

all the best.

My understanding on this issue is that a thorough study was conducted in Japan after they switched from the triple vaccine to the single vaccine in 1993. Since then, the instances of autism continued to rise sharply. (More info on the 2005 study)

This suggests there is no merit in switching to single vaccines with regard to autism. There is a wider issue of what is causing the increase - there are many theories, which include the possibility of the mercury preservative in vaccines (again, using the triple vaccine could actually lower the child's exposure to this). But at the moment there are no clues, and no reason to suspect any one event over another; it is easy to fall into the trap of believing correlation is causation (known in scientific terms as the post hoc fallacy)

Only time will tell!

I have always been on the side of the parents that are ignored on this subject.

There was a claim that £15 million was spent studying the link between MMR and Autism.

It was false. the study in question was a Danish research mapping the entire population of

children’s healthcare from 1999 onwards.

There has been so much misinformation on this, most discrediting the work of Dr Andrew Wakeman

I’ve heard the mercury preservative is the reason the Americans have stopped

using the MMR cocktail.

From the top link

"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children," he said. "There's no one conclusive piece of scientific evidence, no 'smoking gun', because there very rarely is when adverse drug reactions are first suspected. When vaccine damage in very young children is involved, it is harder to prove the links.

"But it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

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I am a parent of an Autistic child, that truly believes the jab did damage my son.

I feel very angry at the Government and medical profession, for ignoring parents

that posed a simple question. "is this safe?" all lies are exposed in the end, but at what cost to individuals?

Have you seen The Constant Gardener? And did you see Judge John Deed on Friday?

The vaccination industry seems to be 'getting away with murder'.

Are you a member of The Informed Parent Group? Read the work of Viera Scheibner and biochemists like Trevor Gunn? Well worth it imho...

Some time has passed since I read anything extensive on this issue, but at the time I felt there were VIs (that word again) on both sides.

Also, whilst these three diseases are nasty, I caught two of them as a child and am now a strapping 6' 2" lad. I can't help thinking somebody somewhere is making a lot of money out of the MMR jab.

NDL

I don't really know what the VIs are against vaccination - they just want something that has been proved to be safe - we don't have that at the moment. I suppose their vested interest is the health of their child.

The vaccination industry is massive business - imho it can only be trusted when run as a not for profit industry.

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Testing the hypothesis that MMR causes autism is fairly easy.

Take a large population and divide them into two groups depending on whether they have had the MMR vaccine. Then calculate the percentages of each group who have been diagnosed with autism.

If MMR causes autism there will be a significant discrepancy between the figures. If MMR doesn't cause autism these numbers will be very close (statistically insignificant).

Research with populations of 100's of thousands of people have shown no difference in the prevalence of autism between these two groups.

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MMR vaccination declines can be laid fairly & squarely at the feet of Bliar's government.

Bliar and his cronies have lied so much no one is prepared to believe a word they or any of their figures of authority, whether police, medical etc have to say any more.

Bliar's legacy, apart from the Iraq war & the wrecking of the UK economy, will be that complete destruction of trust the UK public may have once had in its leaders & advisers

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Testing the hypothesis that MMR causes autism is fairly easy.

Take a large population and divide them into two groups depending on whether they have had the MMR vaccine. Then calculate the percentages of each group who have been diagnosed with autism.

If MMR causes autism there will be a significant discrepancy between the figures. If MMR doesn't cause autism these numbers will be very close (statistically insignificant).

Research with populations of 100's of thousands of people have shown no difference in the prevalence of autism between these two groups.

Not so. If you're talking about the Finland study that has been shown to be flawed.

Yes, you need two groups, but adverse reactions need to be tracked and recorded for what they are. At the moment this doesn't happen.

If you are so sure that the 'research' out there is correct, I invite you to take directly into your bloodstream comparable quantities (for your height and weight as compared with a baby's) of the vaccines that are injected into babies, toxins and all...

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Not so. If you're talking about the Finland study that has been shown to be flawed.

Yes, you need two groups, but adverse reactions need to be tracked and recorded for what they are. At the moment this doesn't happen.

If you are so sure that the 'research' out there is correct, I invite you to take directly into your bloodstream comparable quantities (for your height and weight as compared with a baby's) of the vaccines that are injected into babies, toxins and all...

There is also a Danish study that shown the prevalence of Autism is the same between the two groups. I'm not sure what you mean about adverse reactions, but I certainly agree that research into possible problems caused by MMR is a good idea. No research has ever shown a statistical link between MMR and Autism, only that some Autistic children have measles in their gut. It does not follow from this that Autism is caused by MMR.

I think Van Hoogstraten may be on to something though, the government regularly cherry pick any research that supports their point of view, particularly regarding drugs. Therefore people are likely to be suspicious of anything the government says.

I don't have any vested interest in vaccination, I just prefer statistical evidence over speculation and hearsay. I won't be injecting myself with vaccines and toxins, but I will be giving MMR to my first child (due in July).

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Mags

Are you a member of The Informed Parent Group?

No I’m not a member of any group. although they are gaining in membership?

I count my/our lucky stars that my son has turned-out mild compared to some.

But my wife and I wouldn’t let him have the booster jab (that’s only a recent practice)

I don't really know what the VIs are against vaccination

Must be political.

But he added: "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

van hoogstraten

MMR vaccination declines can be laid fairly & squarely at the feet of Bliar's government.

Totally agree. They are in charge of the nation healthcare and could ‘nip in the bud’

The falling rate of vaccinated children by giving parents a choice.

mhifoe

Research with populations of 100's of thousands of people have shown no difference in the prevalence of autism between these two groups.

I believe the problem is statistics are the wrong tools to use, when the first group of parents

asked for help, citing MMR had an affect on their child, the authorities closed ranks, vehemently

denying anything wrong with the vaccine. But the vaccine was never tested in trials,

as all vaccines are, because the three (Measles, mumps and rubella) had been tested

and used for years separately.

But not all together in a cocktail! (And more are to come!)

Instead of studying and helping that group of children to find out what has gone wrong,

NuLabour (and I place the blame squarely on their doorstep) went into ‘spin machine’ mode!

Denying, discrediting, dismissing anyone that dared to question it’s safety.

Van hoogstraten is right, it’s left this country exposed to serious outbreaks of these diseases.

AND IT’S ALL POLITICAL VANITY.

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There is also a Danish study that shown the prevalence of Autism is the same between the two groups. I'm not sure what you mean about adverse reactions, but I certainly agree that research into possible problems caused by MMR is a good idea. No research has ever shown a statistical link between MMR and Autism, only that some Autistic children have measles in their gut. It does not follow from this that Autism is caused by MMR.

I don't have any vested interest in vaccination, I just prefer statistical evidence over speculation and hearsay. I won't be injecting myself with vaccines and toxins, but I will be giving MMR to my first child (due in July).

If you like statistical evidence you'll love all the evidence presented by Viera Scheibner - she gathers stats in the public domain that are otherwise buried by spin. Well worth perusing imho. She fully explains the MMR/Autism suspicions and you can find out more information about adverse reactions from the product inserts for the vaccines (most parents don't think to request to read these). It's a little strong to say 'no research...' - Scheibner/Gunn et al explain it all in much more detail than I could here.

Interesting what you say about not having vaccines and toxins yourself but wanting them for your child. It's a very tough decision for any parent who believes in the concept of vaccination. Very tough indeed. I really feel for people having to make these decisions.

Were we ever told if baby Leo had the jab?? :)

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Todays AOL news

Warning for Parents Who Shun MMR Jab

MMR fears: Some parents are reluctant to give their children the vaccine

Physiotherapists have warned that the drop in children receiving the controversial MMR jab may have serious long-term health consequences.

The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy (CSP) said that uptake of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine varied dramatically across England.

Department of Health figures for 2004-05 showed that in Westminster, London, just 11.7 per cent of children were immunised by their fifth birthday. This compared with a high of 91.1 per cent in Chelmsford, Essex, while the average across England was 73.3 per cent.

Many parents opted to abandon the triple MMR jab after research in 1998 linked it with autism.

But that research has since been discredited and the vast majority of experts agree that the jab is safe.

Physiotherapists are worried because the long-term effects of catching measles, mumps or rubella include arthritis, encephalitis - inflammation of the brain - and arthralgia, which is pain in a joint caused by inflammation.

Lowest Uptake of MMR Jab

1. Westminster (11.7%)

2. Kensington and Chelsea (33.3%)

3. Lewisham (42.7%)

4. Greenwich (43.8%)

5. Bromley (46.1%)

Highest Uptake of MMR Jab

1. Chelmsford (91.1%)

2. Staffordshire Moorlands (90.6%)

3. South Leicestershire (90.4%)

4. West Cumbria (90.2%)

5. North Stoke-on-Trent (89.5%)

The CSP said the figures showed rates of immunisation in London lagged behind the rest of the country, with 57.2 per cent of children having the jab before they are five.

The region with the highest uptake was the North East, with 80.4 per cent of children vaccinated.

Sarah Bazin, the CSP's chair of council, said: "Measles, mumps and rubella are highly contagious diseases and can have devastating long-term consequences.

"As an organisation that represents leading health care professionals, the CSP is acutely aware of the need to ensure people are able to make informed decisions about their own health and the health of their children.

"While the research that sparked controversy over the MMR jab has been discredited, uptake remains patchy across the country, showing that when panic and confusion reign, public health can be seriously compromised."

http://channels.aolsvc.co.uk/lifestyle/art...n&p=news&c=news

NOTE: The link will only work for AOL subscribers. Sorry.

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If you like statistical evidence you'll love all the evidence presented by Viera Scheibner - she gathers stats in the public domain that are otherwise buried by spin. Well worth perusing imho. She fully explains the MMR/Autism suspicions and you can find out more information about adverse reactions from the product inserts for the vaccines (most parents don't think to request to read these). It's a little strong to say 'no research...' - Scheibner/Gunn et al explain it all in much more detail than I could here.

Interesting what you say about not having vaccines and toxins yourself but wanting them for your child. It's a very tough decision for any parent who believes in the concept of vaccination. Very tough indeed. I really feel for people having to make these decisions.

Were we ever told if baby Leo had the jab?? :)

I'll certainly look at the data you mention. I have no problem with having vaccinations myself if required, such as a tetanus shot or an immunisation against a tropical disease. I just don't plan to have an MMR to prove a point!

You're right about it being a difficult decision though, and the government policy of rubbishing research and refusing to comment hardly helps the debate. Refusing to comment on what he had done with his own son only helped keep the rumour mill going.

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No I’m not a member of any group. although they are gaining in membership?

I count my/our lucky stars that my son has turned-out mild compared to some.

But my wife and I wouldn’t let him have the booster jab (that’s only a recent practice)

The Informed Parent is a very interesting group - very well connnected and growing by the day. Here's the link: http://www.informedparent.co.uk/

Very interesting to look at why certain vaccines are pushed at various time. The 1994 measles push was fascinating... that was just an MR jab, and parents didn't question why the mumps element was removed, and no justification was ever given for the rubella element. It's a very intriguing story...

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I'll certainly look at the data you mention. I have no problem with having vaccinations myself if required, such as a tetanus shot or an immunisation against a tropical disease. I just don't plan to have an MMR to prove a point!

You're right about it being a difficult decision though, and the government policy of rubbishing research and refusing to comment hardly helps the debate. Refusing to comment on what he had done with his own son only helped keep the rumour mill going.

An American man put up a huge amount of money for anyone willing to have a vaccine of comparable dose to that given to babies and so far the money remains unclaimed! I wonder why?!

It's very hard though - there are so many people gathering evidence against vaccination and so many parents with vaccine damaged children. Then you hear that those parents have lost their legal aid to pursue their case and start to wonder why. Then GPs start to join in the ranks of those questioning the wisdom of vaccination and growing numbers of other healthcare professionals such as homeopaths and acupuncturists who are increasingly dealing with the ill-effects. Health visitors are split and often don't question it when parents decline vaccination for their children. It's a fascinating subject, but caught up in the middle are parents trying to do the best for their children, often with little or no access to the information that would help to know they had made the right decision. There's so much money involved in the vaccination industry that it has become impossible to take anything at face value. I'm just glad there are people out there who have made it their life's work to shed light on this whole murky area.

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As an ex-practice nurse who spent a lot of time vaccinating children with the MMR I feel I have to state that I read pro literature and anti-MMR literature. I would urge any parent to do the same. Also take into account the quality of the research, don't just assume because it has been printed in the lancet or the BMJ then it's always concrete. The fact that I vaccinated hundreds of children with the MMR jab (I also had my own daughter vaccinated with it) means that I fell in favour of it. But that's not to say I feel parents fears should be ignored but I worry that genuine fears are been diluted by the fear-mongering media who love to run with this type of story.

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As an ex-practice nurse who spent a lot of time vaccinating children with the MMR I feel I have to state that I read pro literature and anti-MMR literature. I would urge any parent to do the same. Also take into account the quality of the research, don't just assume because it has been printed in the lancet or the BMJ then it's always concrete. The fact that I vaccinated hundreds of children with the MMR jab (I also had my own daughter vaccinated with it) means that I fell in favour of it. But that's not to say I feel parents fears should be ignored but I worry that genuine fears are been diluted by the fear-mongering media who love to run with this type of story.

Can you recommend any good non-biased literature? I'd be interested to know what you read. Did you do all the Trevor Gunn talks etc? :)

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I won't be injecting myself with vaccines and toxins, but I will be giving MMR to my first child (due in July).

I would suggest that you wait for your first baby's arrival before you make that decision. Only then will you realise how precious she / he is. Becoming a parent is a lifechanging experience which means nothing until you become one :) .

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I don't really know what the VIs are against vaccination - they just want something that has been proved to be safe - we don't have that at the moment. I suppose their vested interest is the health of their child.

The vaccination industry is massive business - imho it can only be trusted when run as a not for profit industry.

I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was referring to one of the doctors that agreed that MMR was unsafe. He apparently was developing an alternative. At no time did I intend to refer to the parents. I have great sympathy with parents as it isn't a decision to be taken lightly.

NDL

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I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was referring to one of the doctors that agreed that MMR was unsafe. He apparently was developing an alternative. At no time did I intend to refer to the parents. I have great sympathy with parents as it isn't a decision to be taken lightly.

NDL

No probs - I was just thinking aloud really! I think it's really interesting the way this debate is often seen as being between the triple or the single vaccine when there's a whole other group of people who are yet to be convinced by the concept of vaccination altogether. It seems that many start with assumption that it's good to vaccinate, then look into it further, then make a decision one way or the other. Wouldn't it be healthier to start from the assumption that you won't vaccinate, unless presented with incontrovertible evidence that it is safe? So the onus is on proof of safety rather than proof of harm? I wonder if our approach to vaccines is totally back to front.

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