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Once no deal has happened, the Germans will be insuring that a Canada + + FTA is proposed very quickly (this is what Tusk initially suggested), otherwise Germany will go into deep recession. Since all our goods are currently aligned with the EU standards etc, a quick FTA minus all the political and human rights guff would be fairly simple. Once that is in place we should do a deal with Canada, Oz, NZ and finally the USA. China and India are very difficult at this stage.

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49 minutes ago, Pindar said:

Sums up the smug attitude of remoaners quite well. 

Ding ding ding ding! :D It's almost as if having a debate without using a slur is too too dwifficult. 

Of course I'm smug, I'm a filthy landlord who the Tories are going to support through thick n thin LOL

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11 minutes ago, Captain Kirk said:

Hard to see how given they are one of the PIIGS. They've had relative success in slashing corporation tax but I'm sure the EU won't let them get away with that for much longer.

have you actually ever been there?

 you don't seem to be very well informed.

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6 minutes ago, hurlerontheditch said:

have you actually ever been there?

 you don't seem to be very well informed.

Yes, I've been there and do business there. I have a colleague that lives and works from home there who I speak to nearly every week. What is it I'm not well informed about?

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4 minutes ago, Captain Kirk said:

Yes, I've been there and do business there. I have a colleague that lives and works from home there who I speak to nearly every week. What is it I'm not well informed about?

the amount of investment Ireland has had from the EU, infrastructure, education etc.

the Irish would vote to stay in the EU above leaving to join the Brexit fantasists 

 

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1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

Bull shit. Remainers are far more patriotic than Leavers.

We don't want our country to be a billionaires Disneyland and destroyed by hard-boiled fantasies. Spun by those that want to hold onto coat-tails of the super-wealthy in exchange for bribes and trinkets. To sell every last nail to foreigners. If it moves, privatise it. Fecking business and Joe Public as a two-some.

We simply don't believe the cult leaders. Do you believe in tooth fairies and Father Christmas too? Or maybe you're just a bot?

So the neoliberal EU is more likely to protect British interests? Is that why rentierism has grown and thrived under the auspices of the EU? The low wage, BTL workers paradise that somehow drags on, subsidised by more and more public money while the things that Britons paid for over generations were sold off to French and German utilities and Dubai equity funds to become cash cows? Is that your deluded dream of (long dead) French and German style "social justice" that you cling to? Your faith in political pretense as opposed to the grim monetarist reality of life under the EU  is exemplary.

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15 minutes ago, hurlerontheditch said:

the amount of investment Ireland has had from the EU, infrastructure, education etc.

the Irish would vote to stay in the EU above leaving to join the Brexit fantasists 

 

I'm sure Irelanders are capable of deciding themselves how to invest their own money.

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32 minutes ago, Pindar said:

So the neoliberal EU is more likely to protect British interests? Is that why rentierism has grown and thrived under the auspices of the EU? The low wage, BTL workers paradise that somehow drags on, subsidised by more and more public money while the things that Britons paid for over generations were sold off to French and German utilities and Dubai equity funds to become cash cows? Is that your deluded dream of (long dead) French and German style "social justice" that you cling to? Your faith in political pretense as opposed to the grim monetarist reality of life under the EU  is exemplary.

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55 minutes ago, hurlerontheditch said:

the amount of investment Ireland has had from the EU, infrastructure, education etc.

the Irish would vote to stay in the EU above leaving to join the Brexit fantasists

Yes, people do quite like you if you keep giving them money that they don't expect you to give back. Got to be quite a fantasist if you regard that as a normal, routine thing that can (and should) keep going on forever though.

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46 minutes ago, Pindar said:

So the neoliberal EU is more likely to protect British interests? Is that why rentierism has grown and thrived under the auspices of the EU? The low wage, BTL workers paradise that somehow drags on, subsidised by more and more public money while the things that Britons paid for over generations were sold off to French and German utilities and Dubai equity funds to become cash cows? Is that your deluded dream of (long dead) French and German style "social justice" that you cling to? Your faith in political pretense as opposed to the grim monetarist reality of life under the EU  is exemplary.

Isn't it laughable? A lot of the workers' protection came from the UK, and a very large proportion of the spivs and gamblers are pro-Remain but apparently Brexit is all about catering to them.

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36 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Isn't it laughable? A lot of the workers' protection came from the UK, and a very large proportion of the spivs and gamblers are pro-Remain but apparently Brexit is all about catering to them.

Really ?????

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1 hour ago, Pindar said:

So the neoliberal EU is more likely to protect British interests? Is that why rentierism has grown and thrived under the auspices of the EU? The low wage, BTL workers paradise that somehow drags on, subsidised by more and more public money while the things that Britons paid for over generations were sold off to French and German utilities and Dubai equity funds to become cash cows? Is that your deluded dream of (long dead) French and German style "social justice" that you cling to? Your faith in political pretense as opposed to the grim monetarist reality of life under the EU  is exemplary.

Really ???

Here, not there.

Like most Leavers, I think you are being taken for a ride. BTW, I am far more worried about the intentions of our lot after Brexit. Want to talk about the gold medal winning self-serving maggots eh?

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Perhaps you'd like to learn about the inequality graph - here not there. A testament to those leaders here you put so much faith in

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4 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

Really ???

Here, not there.

Like most Leavers, I think you are being taken for a ride. BTW, I am far more worried about the intentions of our lot after Brexit. Want to talk about the gold medal winning self-serving maggots eh?

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Perhaps you'd like to learn about the inequality graph - here not there. A testament to those leaders here you put so much faith in

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What's that got to do with Brexit? We already know most European countries are prone to socialism and the equality of poverty.

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18 hours ago, dugsbody said:

Your problem doesn't seem to be the practical implications, your problems seems to be the system isn't like the UK.

Wrong. Whatever dude. 

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2 hours ago, HovelinHove said:

Once no deal has happened, the Germans will be insuring that a Canada + + FTA is proposed very quickly (this is what Tusk initially suggested), otherwise Germany will go into deep recession. Since all our goods are currently aligned with the EU standards etc, a quick FTA minus all the political and human rights guff would be fairly simple. Once that is in place we should do a deal with Canada, Oz, NZ and finally the USA. China and India are very difficult at this stage.

******ing hell.

Is this argument still going?

You brexiters do make me laugh.

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2 hours ago, Pindar said:

So the neoliberal EU is more likely to protect British interests? Is that why rentierism has grown and thrived under the auspices of the EU? The low wage, BTL workers paradise that somehow drags on, subsidised by more and more public money while the things that Britons paid for over generations were sold off to French and German utilities and Dubai equity funds to become cash cows? Is that your deluded dream of (long dead) French and German style "social justice" that you cling to? Your faith in political pretense as opposed to the grim monetarist reality of life under the EU  is exemplary.

Humans have an amazing ability to scapegoat (and self delude).

Good luck for your non-EU future, you'll find the new boss is the same as the old boss, which was always our own political elite that you chumps keep voting for.

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1 hour ago, Riedquat said:

Isn't it laughable? A lot of the workers' protection came from the UK, and a very large proportion of the spivs and gamblers are pro-Remain but apparently Brexit is all about catering to them.

Not the point. 99% of the blame for our current society lies solely on our own doorstep. Nothing to do with the EU.

But humans have always blamed foreigners. That's exactly what you guys are doing. 

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Just now, dugsbody said:

Humans have an amazing ability to scapegoat (and self delude).

Good luck for your non-EU future, you'll find the new boss is the same as the old boss, which was always our own political elite that you chumps keep voting for.

A more extreme version of the old boss whose neoliberal schemes collapsed into bankruptcy in 2008.

Privatisation, globalisation, deregulation. How well did that work out?

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33 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Humans have an amazing ability to scapegoat (and self delude).

Good luck for your non-EU future, you'll find the new boss is the same as the old boss, which was always our own political elite that you chumps keep voting for.

And how long will it take to blame our new masters? How long until the first Daily Heil article railing against America instead of licking Trump's boots...

People need a faceless enemy. 

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1 hour ago, Riedquat said:

Isn't it laughable? A lot of the workers' protection came from the UK, and a very large proportion of the spivs and gamblers are pro-Remain but apparently Brexit is all about catering to them.

Yes, it never ceases to amaze me how the incessant and relentless propaganda has constructed a thoroughly inaccurate mental model in the minds of many of what the EU actually is.

For a start, the remainers are convinced by this outdated and inaccurate conception that EU=Left and Nationalist=Right when in truth the EU is ideologically more akin to technocratic authoritarianism, a bit like modern China.

They also wheel out members of then ERG group as their enemies with the apparent simplistic  belief that the enemy of their enemy is their friend. This child like logic conveniently ignores the actual benificiaries of EU subsidies (e.g British aristocracy through CAP) and the never ending BTL ponzi and the suppression of small businesses (the lifeblood of our economy) at the behest of corporate lobbyists who successfully get regulations imposed at EU level that only they, as corporations, can afford to comply with.

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3 hours ago, HovelinHove said:

Once no deal has happened, the Germans will be insuring that a Canada + + FTA is proposed very quickly (this is what Tusk initially suggested), otherwise Germany will go into deep recession. Since all our goods are currently aligned with the EU standards etc, a quick FTA minus all the political and human rights guff would be fairly simple. Once that is in place we should do a deal with Canada, Oz, NZ and finally the USA. China and India are very difficult at this stage.

So how do the Germans ensure that, then..? I'm sure we're all ears. Ain't all about German car exports - makers in Germany of the stuff we'd want to export to them (ours made in Bangladesh and Romania,natch) would of course demand protections. That's why in REALITY these things take so long...years, in fact.

Wishful thinking, magic wand stuff on your part HIH it would seem; POOF! says Fraulein Tinkerbell - and there's a signed trade deal!

Jubbly.

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49 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Humans have an amazing ability to scapegoat (and self delude).

Good luck for your non-EU future, you'll find the new boss is the same as the old boss, which was always our own political elite that you chumps keep voting for.

Maybe but at least we'll be able to vote them out if we don't like their policies. Any democracy is better than technocracy. Good luck with getting the EU to reverse a lot of the recent legacy-music-industry friendly copyright directives or the data retention directive, to name but a few of the draconian and freedom-suppressing dictats emanating from Brussels.

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