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The Forgotten Generation X - Overlooked?

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1 minute ago, smash said:

Yes, specialised. You want that Steinway shifted safely? Added value.

You will need a piano trolley, and an extra hand.;)

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46 minutes ago, nothernsoul said:

 I personally think my generation suffers because we were brought up with the same expectations as our boomer parents, a nice steady career job and a decent pension( even early retirement). It is now clear that unless you are on the gravy train, work has become far more demanding, dog eat dog, (doing a steady job is now regarded as unsatisfactory coasting)  and the retirement age pushed further away. Somebody in their forties is thinking no way can i do another 20 plus years of this for a pension that might not even be there. Well, that is how i think about it. 

Yep, agree with this 

24 minutes ago, winkie said:

Spot on.....have known people to have retired and their pension has gone up more each year with inflation than their wages would have if they had stayed at work.......when older sometimes extra responsibility/promotion does not pay in more ways than one.;)

Yep...this was me. Our pensions were static (regardless of service or any pay awards)  but they did go up with inflation once drawn. So I left for the pension pay awards....and there was significant resistance from the directors which was quite nice to feel loved as I left. 

As it happens I transferred my pension out to a big pension pot because the transfer value was enormous v’s the pension but that’s a whole new thread.😉

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4 minutes ago, winkie said:

You will need a piano trolley, and an extra hand.;)

I've seen one of those go up a conveyor in Holland Park. Add insurance. 

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1 hour ago, Orb said:

Just out of curiosity, and I apologise if I've temporarily hijacked the thread (though it's at least on topic), but if anybody fancies offering their thoughts, what would people here do if aged 40 with nobody and nothing to maintain, but £72k in the bank and the freedom to do as one pleases with all of it?

Honestly? I think shipping/transport will be heavily automated sooner than we imagine. If you don't fancy moving somewhere much cheaper (Wales, Scotland) then it's worth thinking about what else you could retrain for. There'll be lots of good audiobooks available on the topic :) 

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1 hour ago, winkie said:

What about a removal business......house and piano removals, moving things within the UK?;)

I had  a large IT relocation business as a JV with the largest commercial remover and have worked with Pickfords, Britannia etc.

Cut throat, back breaking and you still have to run the HGV - less and your competing with cash in hand Aussies on domestic removals

The only money is in B2B commercial relocation but higher barriers to entry

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3 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

Cut throat, back breaking and you still have to run the HGV - less and your competing with cash in hand Aussies on domestic removals

That's a good point. There are plenty of Poles and Romanians running luton transits, scraping cash in hand jobs on tendering websites, that will move a whole house worth of stuff for very little money. They live/sleep in the vans/lorries.

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4 minutes ago, Orb said:

That's a good point. There are plenty of Poles and Romanians running luton transits, scraping cash in hand jobs on tendering websites, that will move a whole house worth of stuff for very little money. They live/sleep in the vans/lorries.

Quite a while ago a transport worker said to me that Romanians were bringing over HGVs with extended "belly tanks" fuelled up in Romania where the diesel is cheaper. Was/is that true?

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2 minutes ago, smash said:

Quite a while ago a transport worker said to me that Romanians were bringing over HGVs with extended "belly tanks" fuelled up in Romania where the diesel is cheaper. Was/is that true?

I've not heard that specific one, but it is absolutely unsurprising to me in light of all the other ways they undercut the British transport industry. 

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1 minute ago, Orb said:

I've not heard that specific one, but it is absolutely unsurprising to me in light of all the other ways they undercut the British transport industry. 

I have seen many RO plated trucks on the road since I heard this person say this.

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48 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

I had  a large IT relocation business as a JV with the largest commercial remover and have worked with Pickfords, Britannia etc.

Cut throat, back breaking and you still have to run the HGV - less and your competing with cash in hand Aussies on domestic removals

The only money is in B2B commercial relocation but higher barriers to entry

Got to pick your area......what about skip hire, can do well out of that, drop it off pick it up and know the best and legal place to take it to dump it.;)

Amazing what some will throw away.....could even make something out of what others think of as rubbish.

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3 hours ago, nothernsoul said:

Im late generation  x. Of course my generation had it better than people now in their 20s, an opportunity to buy an affordable house and no massive student debt for a start. I personally think my generation suffers because we were brought up with the same expectations as our boomer parents, a nice steady career job and a decent pension( even early retirement). It is now clear that unless you are on the gravy train, work has become far more demanding, dog eat dog, (doing a steady job is now regarded as unsatisfactory coasting)  and the retirement age pushed further away. Somebody in their forties is thinking no way can i do another 20 plus years of this for a pension that might not even be there. Well, that is how i think about it. 

The culture of generation x, 70s and early 80s, is also regarded as being more cynical. So having that outlook also probably doesnt help. 

This.

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19 minutes ago, dpg50000 said:

This.

Very much so for some.....so many more jobs where there is nowhere upwards to move to.....a very low glass ceiling.;)

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10 hours ago, winkie said:

Very much so for some.....so many more jobs where there is nowhere upwards to move to.....a very low glass ceiling.;)

This is true of construction although i did once make the jump to management -  i spent my time in office board rooms bored stupid listening to some self-aggrandising prat banging on about this & that strategy, that was when i discovered the game 'BS bingo'.

Needless to say i lasted about four months (having halved my earnings & doubled my stress levels)  before i handed back the car and phone and went back on the tools...............

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On 30/07/2019 at 20:04, winkie said:

Got to pick your area......what about skip hire, can do well out of that, drop it off pick it up and know the best and legal place to take it to dump it.;)

Amazing what some will throw away.....could even make something out of what others think of as rubbish.

You can pick many areas problem is most people can't run a business by which I mean in the service world say 5 employees + unless you get even to this modest scale you might as well get skilled at something and be employed.

Skip Hire without owning the hole in the ground is onerous 

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On 30/07/2019 at 19:32, smash said:

Quite a while ago a transport worker said to me that Romanians were bringing over HGVs with extended "belly tanks" fuelled up in Romania where the diesel is cheaper. Was/is that true?

Thats being go on since the fuel wars twenty years ago with 1st world Euro countries like France

 

On 30/07/2019 at 19:25, Orb said:

That's a good point. There are plenty of Poles and Romanians running luton transits, scraping cash in hand jobs on tendering websites, that will move a whole house worth of stuff for very little money. They live/sleep in the vans/lorries.

Actually nothing new in that we had Scouse crews doing the same on Canary Wharf jobs in the 90's 

There is no point being the labour (of course you have to when you start) if more people understood marketing, influencing (sales), the rudiments of finance and management and so forth they could start successful businesses - but as a nation rich or poor we seem to pride ourselves on the being ignorant of the basic framework of business

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57 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

 

Skip Hire without owning the hole in the ground is onerous 

Yup only way to make decent money out of that is owing at least the sifting transfer station where others dump with you.

Land fill tax killed it.

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On 30/07/2019 at 17:27, Orb said:

 

Just out of curiosity, and I apologise if I've temporarily hijacked the thread (though it's at least on topic), but if anybody fancies offering their thoughts, what would people here do if aged 40 with nobody and nothing to maintain, but £72k in the bank and the freedom to do as one pleases with all of it?

Buy some Bitcoin with half of the money. The other half should be used to go on a long holiday until about November 2020 when you can come back sell your bitcoin and buy a house.

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On 7/30/2019 at 11:32 AM, Riedquat said:

But without that extra money how are you supposed to always have the latest pointless electronic gimmick?

Sounds like you judge yourself based on materialism. If not why even mention it? I'm a, cash in bank, millionaire, thrice over but you wouldn't guess it from the clothes I wear. I also don't whinge about the latest electronic gimmick. 

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12 hours ago, GregBowman said:

There is no point being the labour (of course you have to when you start) if more people understood marketing, influencing (sales), the rudiments of finance and management and so forth they could start successful businesses - but as a nation rich or poor we seem to pride ourselves on the being ignorant of the basic framework of business

Everyone runs a business and no-one works for one? That doesn't sound very practical.

Anyway some of us have no desire to run a business, all the planning, organising etc. sounds like a thoroughly miserable way to make a living. I'll stick to getting sufficient money from 8 hours a day 5 days a week and forgetting completely about the job the rest of the time.

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52 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Everyone runs a business and no-one works for one? That doesn't sound very practical.

Anyway some of us have no desire to run a business, all the planning, organising etc. sounds like a thoroughly miserable way to make a living. I'll stick to getting sufficient money from 8 hours a day 5 days a week and forgetting completely about the job the rest of the time.

You have a job? 😲

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On 30/07/2019 at 18:50, PeanutButter said:

Honestly? I think shipping/transport will be heavily automated sooner than we imagine.

In the next 5, 10, 15 years, it's pretty plausible that rail freight, shipping, and highway trucks will get increasingly "robotocised", but the elephant in the room is that our narrow, windy, and congested roads will be a bit too tough for primitive AI vehicles to navigate.

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11 minutes ago, Big Orange said:

...... but the elephant in the room is that our narrow, windy, and congested roads will be a bit too tough for primitive AI vehicles to navigate.

Indeed. I am involved with Machine Learning and AI. It works well for many back office and process automation tasks but fails miserably when used in complex and changing environments. 

I'd go as far as saying that true autonomous vehicles that could handle London driving may be 50 years away. We will see things like usable Quantum Computers and perhaps even nuclear fusion reactors well before then. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Big Orange said:

In the next 5, 10, 15 years, it's pretty plausible that rail freight, shipping, and highway trucks will get increasingly "robotocised", but the elephant in the room is that our narrow, windy, and congested roads will be a bit too tough for primitive AI vehicles to navigate.

I see the main barriers being union action and deliberate interference (maliciously blocking autonomous vehicles, vandalism etc). The systems will only be primitive for a short while, once they start gathering real world data the improvement will be exponential. 

Who’s to say a fail-safe human can’t be provided for high-value shipments (and valuable trucks) as a backup? Of course they wouldn’t earn as much, sitting in a cab inactive except in tricky situations, but with enough desperate people there would be no shortage of volunteers.

A safe, secure, single occupant car or sheltered bike that would collect and drop off at low speeds within a short range could effectively do away with school run 4x4s, many delivery services and taxis.

It’s time for drivers of all kinds to skill up.

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1 minute ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

Indeed. I am involved with Machine Learning and AI. It works well for many back office and process automation tasks but fails miserably when used in complex and changing environments. 

I'd go as far as saying that true autonomous vehicles that could handle London driving may be 50 years away. We will see things like usable Quantum Computers and perhaps even nuclear fusion reactors well before then. 

 

For the sake of many people’s jobs, I hope you are right. But I’m a pessimist.

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