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The same old song and dance from greasy industry puppet RM courtesy of mystery money 55 Tufton St. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/20/build-green-belt-cut-tax-end-home-crisis-urges-jacob-rees-mogg/

Land-grab from the public (despite house builders sitting on vast tracts of land banks) and bung even more into the pockets of the big builders. 

And what happens when the land is built on but the population keeps rising? Build on agricultural land? Build higher? Keep building until no one wants to live here?

GDP doesn't measure happiness.

 

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45 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

GDP doesn't measure happiness.

I expect the nation would be happier if it was adequately housed.  Has that ambition been abandoned?

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We were more adequately housed. Some idiots have in the mean time pursued policies that have screwed that up badly, leading to probably need to build more - further development in its own right tends to reduce happiness too, leading to only being able to decide which is the less obnoxious choice (spare us from the people who don't have an issue at all with building more).

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Rees-Mogg is calling for BTLers to get their full mortgage interest relief back. Almost the only thing that a politician has done in the last 25 years that might actually help price younger workers back into homeownership and he wants it stopped.

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20 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Rees-Mogg is calling for BTLers to get their full mortgage interest relief back. Almost the only thing that a politician has done in the last 25 years that might actually help price younger workers back into homeownership and he wants it stopped.

He also thought HTB was a free-market solution to home ownership. There is no hope with these politicians.

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24 minutes ago, Captain Kirk said:

He also thought HTB was a free-market solution to home ownership. There is no hope with these politicians.

I don't know why people get so excited about him, he appears to be 100% swamp creature.

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He probably owns or invested in green belt land. Even a planning change for some private landowners would increase prices and gift windfall gains for the rest - increases the likelihood of further changes.

If the article refers to building on publicly owned green belt for public benefit I'll stand corrected, but doubt it.

 

Edit: worse that I thought - proposing 21st Century enclosures/land grabs -

"p.29 A new Right to Buy: reverse compulsory purchase orders:
...transforming the Right to Buy to apply to government land; a mechanism to allow people the right to demand the sale of government land is needed ... Government can also reverse the compulsory purchase procedures it has used to acquire land, using Disposal Orders for public sector land to create entrepreneurial opportunity: compulsory purchase orders in reverse..."

https://iea.org.uk/media/new-iea-report-co-authored-by-jacob-rees-mogg-mp-sets-out-proposals-to-fix-the-uk-housing-market/

 

Edited by guest_northshore

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17 hours ago, Wayward said:

I expect the nation would be happier if it was adequately housed.  Has that ambition been abandoned?

Yes. Stop right to buy and build more decent council housing that can't be sold off. No need to land-grab green belt. 

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13 hours ago, guest_northshore said:

He probably owns or invested in green belt land. Even a planning change for some private landowners would increase prices and gift windfall gains for the rest - increases the likelihood of further changes.

If the article refers to building on publicly owned green belt for public benefit I'll stand corrected, but doubt it.

 

Edit: worse that I thought - proposing 21st Century enclosures/land grabs -

"p.29 A new Right to Buy: reverse compulsory purchase orders:
...transforming the Right to Buy to apply to government land; a mechanism to allow people the right to demand the sale of government land is needed ... Government can also reverse the compulsory purchase procedures it has used to acquire land, using Disposal Orders for public sector land to create entrepreneurial opportunity: compulsory purchase orders in reverse..."

https://iea.org.uk/media/new-iea-report-co-authored-by-jacob-rees-mogg-mp-sets-out-proposals-to-fix-the-uk-housing-market/

 

Very likely. If not personally then he's being puppeteered by those who do. 

This guy could be our next Housing Minister. 

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JRM is as bad as JC.  Spouting ideologically driven nonsense; Neither knows an honest days work leeching on the back of others.

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

Very likely. If not personally then he's being puppeteered by those who do. 

This guy could be our next Housing Minister. 

It doesn't really matter who the Housing Minister is, they are all just told by the PM/senior minister "Congratulations, you're Housing Minister. We know it's a clusterf*** but housing is too politically sensitive to actually do anything about so don't touch anything." Some of them like Alok Sharma then spend the next 12-18 months at least making a show of it, putting on the hard hat and hi vis and walking around construction sites nodding. Others like Dominic Raab don't even pretend to care and spend their time spouting off to journalists about whatever topic they happen to be interested in e.g. foreign policy.

Edited by Dorkins

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34 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

Very likely. If not personally then he's being puppeteered by those who do. 

This guy could be our next Housing Minister. 

We'll see. If anything close to that manifesto is implemented there'll be no meaningful price falls for a long time. Every 'solution' favours existing owner-occupiers, landlords and further financialisation/privatisation (lenders and developers). But the IEA publish a lot of self-serving nonsense so hopefully this gets filed away with the rest of the faux free market garbage.

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1 hour ago, msi said:

JRM is as bad as JC.  Spouting ideologically driven nonsense; Neither knows an honest days work leeching on the back of others.

 

 

 

JC intends to introduce a nationwide program of general needs social housing and a host of other reforms which will at a stroke relieve the acute demand pressure in the private sector responsible for the UK's stratospheric rents and house prices. Smoggy doesn't. That's the difference.

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36 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

JC intends to introduce a nationwide program of general needs social housing and a host of other reforms which will at a stroke relieve the acute demand pressure in the private sector responsible for the UK's stratospheric rents and house prices. Smoggy doesn't. That's the difference.

Well said.

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2 hours ago, APerson said:

I like Ress-Mogg but on housing, foreign policy, immigration and free market rubbish he's awful

There are a lot of nice people that are awful to some but very, very nice to others.;)

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3 minutes ago, winkie said:

There are a lot of nice people that are awful to some but very, very nice to others.;)

like the chap who handed out medals and sat in a fancy chair. 

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21 hours ago, Wayward said:

I expect the nation would be happier if it was adequately housed.  Has that ambition been abandoned?

+1

21 hours ago, Riedquat said:

We were more adequately housed. Some idiots have in the mean time pursued policies that have screwed that up badly, leading to probably need to build more - further development in its own right tends to reduce happiness too, leading to only being able to decide which is the less obnoxious choice (spare us from the people who don't have an issue at all with building more).

+1

 

3 hours ago, Dorkins said:

It doesn't really matter who the Housing Minister is, they are all just told by the PM/senior minister "Congratulations, you're Housing Minister. We know it's a clusterf*** but housing is too politically sensitive to actually do anything about so don't touch anything." Some of them like Alok Sharma then spend the next 12-18 months at least making a show of it, putting on the hard hat and hi vis and walking around construction sites nodding. Others like Dominic Raab don't even pretend to care and spend their time spouting off to journalists about whatever topic they happen to be interested in e.g. foreign policy.

To be fair housing is not in such a situation that whatever happens it is going to go horribly wrong.  A bit like being made Captain of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg - and it has been like this since 2004 or before.

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19 hours ago, Dorkins said:

Rees-Mogg is calling for BTLers to get their full mortgage interest relief back. Almost the only thing that a politician has done in the last 25 years that might actually help price younger workers back into homeownership and he wants it stopped.

Complete idiot then.

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10 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

To be fair housing is not in such a situation that whatever happens it is going to go horribly wrong.  A bit like being made Captain of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg - and it has been like this since 2004 or before.

There is no such thing as a hole so deep you can't get out of it. Step 1 is to decide to at least try to make things a bit better. Politicians are stuck on Step 0 when it comes to housing.

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9 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

There is no such thing as a hole so deep you can't get out of it. Step 1 is to decide to at least try to make things a bit better. Politicians are stuck on Step 0 when it comes to housing.

Sadly I am not sure that I agree with you.  If prices crash a) a lot of banks could have non performing loans b) people who bought recently are screwed and stuck in negative equity and hate the person responsible.

If prices don't crash then it is even worse, people have to pay a lot for a need and the crash might happen in the future.

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Build on green belt and cut tax to end home crisis buy the Tory party votes from people under 60, because we've been rumbled urges Jacob Rees-Mogg

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16 hours ago, byron78 said:

I've got greenbelt land around London. Would welcome this. Used for horses at the moment. 

Anyone owning green belt land around London would love it to be built on.....they would become rich overnight.

I would prefer that wealth is spread more evenly throughout the UK.....to places where the infrastructure and opportunities are dire.;)

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