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I can see how it's geographic position and internal resources makes America nearly unassailable and very wealthy, but it's unfortunately rendered the superpower deliriously arrogant and lazily complacent. And so it's government and economy is now rotting away from the inside out, and the USA will lose allies and fall victim to internal implosions ala Soviet Russia (which was also externally impregnable militarily and geographically, but did not stop it from folding virtually overnight in the late 80s/early 90s).

The 2nd Amendment does not work, because 1) a disproportionate number of gun owners align with a crazy POTUS like Trump anyway and 2) firearms are useless against M1 Abrams and drones.

It's like watching a spoilt, drunk 'n coked out playboy driving a sports car off a cliff. Neoliberalism is this century's Command Economy and judging from the ruckus in Hong Kong, the PRC will likely have "interesting times" ahead.

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7 hours ago, Big Orange said:

2) firearms are useless against M1 Abrams and drones.

In a true "rogue" government situation how many soldiers do you think would continue to work for the government rather than join the revolution? If you kill all of your citizens are who are you governing?

7 hours ago, Big Orange said:

The 2nd Amendment does not work, because 1) a disproportionate number of gun owners align with a crazy POTUS like Trump anyway

Ad hominems aren't arguments. 

7 hours ago, Big Orange said:

the USA will lose allies

By what mechanism do you think they will lose allies?

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On 25/06/2019 at 12:28, Big Orange said:

I can see how it's geographic position and internal resources makes America nearly unassailable and very wealthy

I get your point but it's clearly its politics too that has made the country very successful. The took the best political ideas from an already successful country. I guess you didn't feel right commending the USA on its politics given their foreign policy exploits in the last few decades but overall they've served their citizens better than the rest of the world.

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18 hours ago, Ghostly said:

In a true "rogue" government situation how many soldiers do you think would continue to work for the government rather than join the revolution? 

The US Military in theory is more loyal to theif nation and its citizens than to a tyrannical/corrupt POTUS, and I can imagine they would not follow orders if crushing dissent escalates and too many civilians die. But the Alphabet agencies, the worst of law enforcement, and mercenary contractors would perhaps have less compunction in purging civil dissent bloodily.

18 minutes ago, cica said:

I get your point but it's clearly its politics too that has made the country very successful. The took the best political ideas from an already successful country. I guess you didn't feel right commending the USA on its politics given their foreign policy exploits in the last few decades but overall they've served their citizens better than the rest of the world.

With more prison inmates than supposedly despotic China, appalling healthcare coverage for most, and a legacy of  centuries of race based apartheid? 

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Just now, Big Orange said:

With more prison inmates than supposedly despotic China, appalling healthcare coverage for most, and a legacy of  centuries of race based apartheid? 

Definitely major problems they have. I couldn't agree more. But it's still been hyper successful.

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All these arguments could be made about the British Empire - and look what happened to that, and in a very short time period. Technological innovation, upstart rivals and its own internal frailties brought the who thing crashing down. The question is not whether the United States will remain an unassailable superpower but, rather, who will eventually replace them.  

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4 hours ago, Orsino said:

Technological innovation, upstart rivals and its own internal frailties brought the who thing crashing down. 

Technology that grows and sustains an imperium can eventually work against it - the recent British and Russian imperiums expanded rapidly through industrialisation but contracting relatively rapidly within a handful of decades.

The lower tech, slower pre-industrial Roman Empire (and its Eastern Roman successors) took many, many centuries to finally, finally die from internal implosions and external enemies. A similar story for Chinese dynasties.

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6 hours ago, Orsino said:

All these arguments could be made about the British Empire - and look what happened to that, and in a very short time period. Technological innovation, upstart rivals and its own internal frailties brought the who thing crashing down. The question is not whether the United States will remain an unassailable superpower but, rather, who will eventually replace them.  

The Americans took over the British Empire, relatively successfully in that its now not called an Empire.

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On 25/06/2019 at 10:37, Ghostly said:

In a true "rogue" government situation how many soldiers do you think would continue to work for the government rather than join the revolution? If you kill all of your citizens are who are you governing?

They wouldn't have to kill all citizens in order to put down a revolution. 

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16 hours ago, Kosmin said:

They wouldn't have to kill all citizens in order to put down a revolution. 

No, but if you’re a member of the military killing your own citizens do you want to be watching your back for the rest of your life? Someone will know where you worked and there will always be dissidents.

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8 hours ago, Ghostly said:

No, but if you’re a member of the military killing your own citizens do you want to be watching your back for the rest of your life? Someone will know where you worked and there will always be dissidents.

That doesn't seem likely. But even if they feared this, if they deserted the armed forces to join the revolution they would face the prospect of watching their back for the rest of their life in fear of what their fellow soldiers would do.

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1 hour ago, Ghostly said:

No, but if you’re a member of the military killing your own citizens do you want to be watching your back for the rest of your life? 

But elements of the US Military could hire ex-Cartel enforcers as mercenaries to commit executions and torture in a worse case civil breakdown, plus the nature of high tech warfare that bloomed in the last 30 to 40 years since Regan's tenure adds a element of extreme distance and anonymity to military strikes.

But I can also imagine large sections of the military and law enforcement would split off to protect citizenry from atrocities.

But the 2nd Amendment would not be effective in forming a people's militia who could remove the tyrannical leaders, it just leads to bearded militia, Neo-Nazis, KKKers, and other paranoid cranks that'd mostly get initially crushed in open war (outside of being a permanent regional nuisance, ala Taliban) or join in with the pro-tyrannical paramilitary groups attached to the US Military loyalists.

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11 replies before we got to Nazis. Not great, not terrible.

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On 28/06/2019 at 18:26, chronyx said:

11 replies before we got to Nazis. Not great, not terrible.

How about Climate Change, when all those precious rivers burst their banks and many protected harbours get exposed?

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26 minutes ago, Big Orange said:

How about Climate Change, when all those precious rivers burst their banks and many protected harbours get exposed?

Yes, climate change is unfortunate - and completely natural.  

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On 25/06/2019 at 04:28, Big Orange said:

The 2nd Amendment does not work, because 1) a disproportionate number of gun owners align with a crazy POTUS like Trump anyway and 2) firearms are useless against M1 Abrams and drones.

It's hilarious that you think Trump is the crazy one when he's facing a dozen Democrats who clearly left Planet Reality years ago.

As for Abrams... do you have any idea how much fuel they burn? If there was a civil war, they'd be out of service within days, because there'd be no more fuel coming and they're too heavy for horses to pull.

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On 01/07/2019 at 21:07, MarkG said:

 

As for Abrams... do you have any idea how much fuel they burn? If there was a civil war, they'd be out of service within days, because there'd be no more fuel coming and they're too heavy for horses to pull.

Nothing short of a nuclear/meteor strike would knock out the US Military's logistics from the outside and nothing short of the Feds/US Military internally shattering even more catastrophically than the WWI Imperial Russian Army & Navy from the inside would inflict that kind of fuel shortage.

And the AFVs are just one facet/set of tools (likely superfluous overkill) for a still vastly superior host of men and women.

Trump's still a corrupt idiot, but the Dems just dress up their greed and warmongering better (and the US Left certainly went down the rabbit hole with Trans rights in the past two to five years).

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8 hours ago, Big Orange said:

Nothing short of a nuclear/meteor strike would knock out the US Military's logistics from the outside and nothing short of the Feds/US Military internally shattering even more catastrophically than the WWI Imperial Russian Army & Navy from the inside would inflict that kind of fuel shortage.

Um... crap.

Let's ignore the fact that the US military is now a welfare program for single mothers who can't even manage to sail a ship without crashing it, and freak out at the first sign of a serious threat (e.g. the US ship that was buzzed by Russian planes a while back, leading to the women on board all wanting to cry and run home to mummy).

If there's a civil war, the supply of oil will stop pretty much immediately. Pipelines are incredibly vulnerable, and will be one of the first targets. Refineries will shut down without the right-wing white Americans who operate them, as will the oil wells.

So the only fuel they'll have is the fuel they have at the start of the war.

And the US military logistics chain is largely operated by women and non-whites.  Many of the women would run away in an actual shooting war, and the men would likely start fighting along ethnic lines with the rest of the country. This is one reason the Democrats want more 'minorities' in the military, because right-wing white boys won't be shooting at right-wing white Americans who are trying to secede from DC.

Oh, and don't forget, millions of those right-wing Americans have spent a couple of decades fighting against rebels in Afghanistan and Iraq, and now very well what tactics work. One reason the Russians had so much trouble in Chechnya was because many of the Chechnyans they were fighting had previously been in the military and knew the flaws of Russian hardware.

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Heavy armour has very limited use without infantry support, especially in urban areas, as the Soviets found out when they attacked Grozny.

Given that the USA is self sufficient in food and energy with or without its supposed 'empire', and has 1st and 2nd amendment protections, then I'd bet on its long term survival more than  e.g. the EU's any day. 

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On 05/07/2019 at 18:46, Oliver Sutton said:

It is if you're an SJW. That's all they have.

I think the SJW nonsense is a form of psychological warfare to split up the discontent pleps (in response to the major anti-1% sit ins on Wallstreet nearly a decade ago).

And the 2nd Amendment just leads to Redneck mobs, but the might of America in propping up its US Military and Federal bureaucracy is more frail and aged than people want to admit.

The Soviet Union, even with its accumilating blunders, inefficiencies, and mishaps by the mid 1980s still seemed too big and invincible until, by around 1989-ish or 1990-ish, it suddenly wasn't.

 

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17 hours ago, Big Orange said:

I think the SJW nonsense is a form of psychological warfare to split up the discontent pleps (in response to the major anti-1% sit ins on Wallstreet nearly a decade ago).

 

SJWs are the result of Soviet subversion programs running on autopilot after the end of the Cold War, and being taken over recently by people like Soros who want to destroy the West.

The Soviets funded the 'long march through the institutions'... then went away. The termites in the infrastructure didn't, and continued to do everything they could to destroy them.

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On 08/07/2019 at 05:52, newbonic said:

Given that the USA is self sufficient in food and energy with or without its supposed 'empire', and has 1st and 2nd amendment protections, then I'd bet on its long term survival more than  e.g. the EU's any day. 

Both the US and EU are in the early stages of civil war. Both European nations and US states are beginning soft secession where they simply refuse to enforce laws passed by the central government. That's only going to increase until hard secession becomes inevitable; a government that can't enforce its dictats soon becomes a non-government, so both EU and US will fight back and force those states to secede.

Canada is also heading the same way. It may well break up before the US does, because the Federal government does much less here, so few people would notice if provinces just said 'bye' and walked away. And there are probably more guns in this city than the entire Canadian military.

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18 hours ago, MarkG said:

SJWs are the result of Soviet subversion programs running on autopilot after the end of the Cold War, and being taken over recently by people like Soros who want to destroy the West.

 

George Soros is the object of obsession for idiots to spread anti-Semitic/Judeophobic conspiracy toss to gain power. The polarisation has been scary to see.

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2 hours ago, Big Orange said:

George Soros is the object of obsession for idiots to spread anti-Semitic/Judeophobic conspiracy toss to gain power. The polarisation has been scary to see.

This. 

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