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Mikhail Liebenstein

Secure email alternatives to BT Yahoo

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So I am getting really fed up with BT. I've had a btinternet.com email address for years and a lot of my other online accounts use that email address. But for some reason, despite Yahoo having had 2FA for ages, BT still don't have it. In today's world 2FA is a must have.

What recommendations do people have?

I have used Office 365 and also Gmail,  O365 is good, but you really need to be the full paid version in my view;  I don't trust Google as they clearly scan and read all your emails.

I have just signed up with Yandex, which is the Russian Google/Yahoo equivalent, and actually, that does seem good (really secure), though you do get quite a lot of Russian text on the odd button or T&Cs etc, but I really love their security model.

What thoughts do people have? 

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11 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

I don't trust Google as they clearly scan and read all your emails.

I thought all e-mail providers did that or had the ability to do that.

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11 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

I don't trust Google as they clearly scan and read all your emails.

Every email provider has access to all your emails, the emails have to be copied onto a server in order to be sent. They are then sent across the internet often in UNENCRYPTED form, email is not a secure protocol.

You can encrypt the connection between yourself and the email provider, but once the email hits the wider internet theres no telling if it will be encrypted or not. If you are emailing to someone on the same network e.g. hotmail to hotmail or gmail to gmail, then it will almost certaintly be encrypted, sending between major email providers e.g. gmail to hotmail will probably be encrypted, anything else is likely unencrypted.

Google have used client side javascript to scan the text of your emails for keywords to display relevant adverts, so they are passing those keywords to an ad network, however the advertiser is never given your identity or ip address.

So if you write an email about lawnmowers and google displays a lawnmower advert, an advertiser somewhere will see one extra view on their lawnmower advert stats - thats all they get.

I don't think Google are perfect by any means, but if you read their privacy policy it is very similar to the BT one.

The only difference is that the adverts make it visible and obvious that you are being data mined.

https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-UK

https://www.bt.com/privacy-policy/

 

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On 28/04/2019 at 10:10, Will! said:

I thought all e-mail providers did that or had the ability to do that.

Protonmail is encrypted, so they don't (so at the very least Google etc. aren't data mining your activities). The downside is that if you forget your password you've lost all your emails as there's no email re-set ability.

 

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You can run your own mail server on something like a Synology device. That also has the risk that some of the source code is not what you might imagine.

I really really don't trust Google or Facebook but I do trust Apple a little more as they are not in the same business so you could use iCloud mail.

Office365 should really be pushing themselves more as a trustworthy paid service.

Other than that you can use the specialist providers above but I do wonder if some of these VPN and email providers that are registered in Panama etc. may actually be owned or bought out by a CIA/NSA corporate entity! It'll probably happen one day if it hasn't already! It's just too tempting and easy for them.

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