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What about sickness.......how long to get full pay, how long part pay.......what about an unpaid career break, (to travel the world or reason of choice) how long can you get to come back on same terms and conditions?.....;)

Edit to say: There are quite a number who do not take their holiday entitlement, come to the end of the qualifying year to find they still have two or three weeks they are required to take.....they love their work that much, use it or lose it.

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3 hours ago, Freezer? Best place for it said:

From experience, not taking leave was a very good indicator of someone taking backhanders. That, with a slimey aversion to graft, were two opposites that didn’t sit well.

The curse of the crooked accountant, Can't enjoy the proceeds of their crookedness because if they take holiday someone else will look at the books.

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used to get 27 plus BH  only used to work 4 hrs on a friday also and have at least 2 weeks off sick a year. 

can you see why i don`t work. 😄

 

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Contractually I get 27 (but I'm on a slightly older more generous contract - new employees would get 25) + bank holidays.

We are also allowed to take unpaid leave if we want to (or 'buying holiday' as it's badged) to top up the 25-27 days leave up to 30 days (so I can have 3 unpaid days, a new starter can get 5).

In addition we usually also get 1 day per year discretionary leave (usually Christmas Eve, which I guess the Company figures everyone would doss about on and leave early anyway, so they might as well give it as holiday and get kudos for it!).

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When i lived in the UK, I got 35 days. I moved to Canada 10 years ago and went down to 2 weeks. I now live in the US and get 4 weeks, which is considered good here. Starters here typically get three weeks, but i know of some companies that give 1 week!

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5 hours ago, Freezer? Best place for it said:

From experience, not taking leave was a very good indicator of someone taking backhanders. That, with a slimey aversion to graft, were two opposites that didn’t sit well.

It sounds counterintuitive, but it's correct.

I had to do some online training about Whistleblowing and Bribery.  One of the criteria for suspicion was not taking leave.

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21 minutes ago, Clint Justice said:

When i lived in the UK, I got 35 days. I moved to Canada 10 years ago and went down to 2 weeks. I now live in the US and get 4 weeks, which is considered good here. Starters here typically get three weeks, but i know of some companies that give 1 week!

I’ve heard US is tough for ‘vacay’ - part of the reason they don't bother with passports/travelling the world? 

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24 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

I’ve heard US is tough for ‘vacay’ - part of the reason they don't bother with passports/travelling the world? 

10 days, plus half a day for each year you work up to 20 is considered ok.

In the 90s I worked for a German/American firm. I was in Germany so got 35 days leave, the Americans got 15 (very progressive) but they had to work 5hrs a week longer to justify their "extra" holidays.  

 

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16 hours ago, Freezer? Best place for it said:

From experience, not taking leave was a very good indicator of someone taking backhanders. That, with a slimey aversion to graft, were two opposites that didn’t sit well.

LOL

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American business and holiday entitlements are hilarious. The country is bankrupt and decaying fast, and meanwhile they all work themselves to death as if it was really important.

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4 minutes ago, The Spaniard said:

I am now retired and as such I get no holidays whatsoever.

I am at the beck and call of my (adult) children and grandchildren 365 days per year. ☹️

not only do i fear retirement for multiple reasons your post got me thinking...keep some kind of job and be vague about it....and your working hours....also if i ever won the lottery ive always thought dont tell anyone....run a little business or pretend to ...take lots of "business trips" rent a small office somewhere just so people cant put you in a pigeon hole...be an international man of mystery...unfortunately theyve got you nailed as a free resource..due to complete disclosure......odd job man for free..no thanks

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16 minutes ago, Errol said:

American business and holiday entitlements are hilarious. The country is bankrupt and decaying fast, and meanwhile they all work themselves to death as if it was really important.

just in Miami this January.....the US is just not my cup of tea...apart from English its really an alien place i find...i am in awe of it or really what it used to be and the geography....but  i see a country in decline and captured by vested interests....it is no democracy....just the attempts to impeach a sitting president show that....Maxine Waters joyfully cried she would use any thing she could to get the guy impeached...liberals they truly suck they are the new nazis

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20 hours ago, Clint Justice said:

When i lived in the UK, I got 35 days. I moved to Canada 10 years ago and went down to 2 weeks. I now live in the US and get 4 weeks, which is considered good here. Starters here typically get three weeks, but i know of some companies that give 1 week!

I heard that although people receive leave days in the US they don't use them for fear of being sacked. Is that correct?

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1 hour ago, Ghostly said:

I heard that although people receive leave days in the US they don't use them for fear of being sacked. Is that correct?

I also heard they don’t take sick days for same reason. Plenty of states where you can be fired and told to leave same day, no severance. They broke the unions and still take it as point of pride.

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59 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

I also heard they don’t take sick days for same reason. Plenty of states where you can be fired and told to leave same day, no severance. They broke the unions and still take it as point of pride.

The US seems pretty cut throat in that regard. Sounds like if they don’t like you for whatever reason you are gone. Must make it difficult to make long term plans.

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Someone at work says that the Schools in the States teach 46weeks a year. Is this right? There are a lot of things about the States that don't seem that great. No wonder they have trailer parks. Personally I get 29 days plus Bank holidays in Local government.

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1 hour ago, PeanutButter said:

I also heard they don’t take sick days for same reason. Plenty of states where you can be fired and told to leave same day, no severance. They broke the unions and still take it as point of pride.

Nothing to do with Unions its the US way. My son is a Sales Director in New York in tech which was never unionised. But don't believe all you read in our socialist Utopia press. He is over here at the moment to play golf at a tournament. Which contributes to his European style holidays about 6 weeks a year - even though the official is about 3. You are encouraged as long as you are hitting targets to have businesses or hustles on the side up. Tax is low even into taking account his healthcare contribution.

My understanding is that if you are prepared to work the rewards are worth it, if you are not then you suffer the consequences. His hours seem broadly similar to his UK job about 8-6 every day no weekends. 

Frankly as someone who has ran his own business for nearly thirty years - seems ok to me

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3 hours ago, Errol said:

American business and holiday entitlements are hilarious. The country is bankrupt and decaying fast, and meanwhile they all work themselves to death as if it was really important.

As my previous post - they don't as well as my son being in  New York I was in IBM before I started my own business. Semi and unskilled work has got harder in both our countries. Read this it spells it out: 

Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain

 

Edited by GregBowman

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3 hours ago, Ghostly said:

I heard that although people receive leave days in the US they don't use them for fear of being sacked. Is that correct?

I use all of my vacation even though some of my direct reports choose not to. I encourage them to do so but there seems to be an aversion to it. Things are not as bad here working conditions-wise as sometimes it is made out to be. I work about 40-45 hours per week with no weekends. There is mostly full employment as well which helps too I guess, to the extent that business that previously would never hire ex-cons are now having to do so!

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20 days pro rata as working 4x7.5 which just qualifies as full time apparently.  Public holidays.  Statutory sick.  5 days paid for bereavement of parent, sibling or child. 1 day for funeral of a specified range of relatives.  Pay moderate. Not rushing to look elsewhere..

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