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Is anyone seeing this?

The wealthy consuming more, wasting more, becoming more entitled....making more of an negative  impact towards global warming problem, using more energy than their fair share?;)

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To be honest where I live its

A ) bought a house years ago.  (on paper rich)

B ) Bought a house recently (on paper poor but feel rich)

C ) Do not own a house. (feel poor due to rents but better off than b if prices fall)

I earn x times local average wage...... problem is a nice house is 450K-1 million near me.  

I do not see much difference in their lifestyles to be honest as its easier to get a range rover on PCP than buy a house.  Crappy areas have some very large engined motors outside (older range rover sports etc), the richer roads usually old biddy cars as....its mostly old biddies.

Only the 50M£ plus brigade from what I see use more as they may have a big yacht/jet/chopper to get to work etc etc

 

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No, only if you are a member of the green party would you hold any of those beliefs, or be a Labour MP.  There is no global warming problem.

Poverty etc has been falling under the conservatives, despite the claims about food bank use being up. Food banks are increasing in number as they are run by 'charities' with highly paid CEOs as nice little earners.

Its very convenient that people on benefits have the Full SKY TV package costing £100 + and spend out on latest tat, phones and TVs yet can't afford to eat. This is where the food bank comes in. No MP will point this out so I am instead.

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You can look at inequality locally and also globally.......the wealthy are definitely getting wealthier, first access to printed money, growing owned assets and rent collection, lower taxes etc.......

 

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4 minutes ago, bear.getting.old said:

Its very convenient that people on benefits have the Full SKY TV package costing £100 + and spend out on latest tat, phones and TV

That's Labour's party trick. Make it as easy as possible for people to game the system and make living on benefits far more lucrative than working a highly taxed lifestyle on low wages. The more people you can get doing it the more people you can rely to keep on voting for you. Once you get enough people then you seize full authoritarian control.

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28 minutes ago, bear.getting.old said:

No, only if you are a member of the green party would you hold any of those beliefs, or be a Labour MP.  There is no global warming problem.

Poverty etc has been falling under the conservatives, despite the claims about food bank use being up. Food banks are increasing in number as they are run by 'charities' with highly paid CEOs as nice little earners.

Its very convenient that people on benefits have the Full SKY TV package costing £100 + and spend out on latest tat, phones and TVs yet can't afford to eat. This is where the food bank comes in. No MP will point this out so I am instead.

Crikey - well I'm glad you've cleared that little lot all up for us, by the mere expediency of a yearly subscription to the Daily Express and a very strong opinion.

And there were us silly old Hectors thinking there were real problems to deal with but no it's just dole-scrounging lefties and the lies they tell because they hate the country and want to put up taxes.

Phew!

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I don't read the express or any paper for that matter. They are my opinions, you may disagree, I say what I think anyway. But we don't want a Labour government and food banks are the thing the socialists hold up and say look how bad it is - all this poverty. Bullcrap. 

True the richest are getting richer, but the working middle and lower classes are getting poorer, I would say that is the majority of members of this forum

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8 minutes ago, bear.getting.old said:

I don't read the express or any paper for that matter. They are my opinions, you may disagree, I say what I think anyway. But we don't want a Labour government and food banks are the thing the socialists hold up and say look how bad it is - all this poverty. Bullcrap. 

True the richest are getting richer, but the working middle and lower classes are getting poorer, I would say that is the majority of members of this forum

I think Food Banks are by invitation only. Don't you need to get a voucher?

As one of the working lower/middle classes I am lucky that I learnt to peel a spud! 😋

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2 hours ago, winkie said:

Is anyone seeing this?

The wealthy consuming more, wasting more, becoming more entitled....making more of an negative  impact towards global warming problem, using more energy than their fair share?;)

All you have to do is read one of those money diaries; see how many thoughtless lattes people chug, how many ubers they take, how they’re always planning the next destination holiday or buying more cocaine.

 

Meanwhile my friend who is a teacher has to buy food and socks for some of his pupils. 

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Definitely. Money printing and ultra low rates have benefitted those with assets at the expense of those relying on working wages, which have stagnated for a decade as inflation has risen. 

Decent opportunities, with a few exceptions, are harder to find for somebody from a background without wealth or contacts, and far more competitive.   I believe who you are and who you know has become a lot more important in britain than 30 years ago. 

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I walked past a tent on the pavement in the town centre the other day, thought nothing of it. Then realised a decade ago i would have been surprised by a tent on the pavement. We just take the huge number of visible homeless for granted now, like they do in third world countries, which isnt the sign of a society becoming more civilised. 

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I don't understand why people actually go on camping holidays in tents by choice if its that bad? camping isn't my bag but they seem to like it and pay for the privilege of having a pitch. In towns they do it anywhere for free. 

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Begging is a lucrative career choice, often they get far more than minimum wage for doing absolutely nothing,  many are not homeless.  There are lots of cases of it, in fact it's an epidemic - just google "fake homeless" or similar to see many reports, e.g....

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/people-begging-money-walton-not-15753917

Nobody should be poor in this country, anyone who's completely useless will get a lump of money every month.  What they choose to spend it on is the issue.  Everyone is free to blow their income at the bookies, pub and dope dealer then pop down the food bank when they get the munchies.  The food banks welcome them with open arms as it suits their political agenda to get the opportunity to help people in this way.

Perhaps the answer could be to hand out part of the dole in food vouchers if they can't budget.  Three times down the food bank means vouchers instead of money.

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21 minutes ago, nothernsoul said:

I walked past a tent on the pavement in the town centre the other day, thought nothing of it. Then realised a decade ago i would have been surprised by a tent on the pavement. We just take the huge number of visible homeless for granted now, like they do in third world countries, which isnt the sign of a society becoming more civilised. 

Generally these are people who refuse the help of society. Obviously there are complex reasons why but it's almost invariably down to refusing to seek help for a drug or alcohol addiction as most homeless shelters will not let you stay there if you're drunk or on drugs. As unenviable as their situation is it's not that there is not a safety net there, they are just refusing to be caught by it.

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2 hours ago, 24gray24 said:

The richest 3 Americans have the same wealth as the bottom 40% of Americans.  

Or something like that. 

Really...? So Bill Gates and who else? Would be surprised if you are right. At least they will be industrialists and technology moguls that are self mafe and not old Norman landlords like in England.

As for Winkies question....yes and HPI is what drives it.

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26 minutes ago, Tes Tickle said:

Begging is a lucrative career choice, often they get far more than minimum wage for doing absolutely nothing,  many are not homeless.  There are lots of cases of it, in fact it's an epidemic - just google "fake homeless" or similar to see many reports, e.g....

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/people-begging-money-walton-not-15753917

Nobody should be poor in this country, anyone who's completely useless will get a lump of money every month.  What they choose to spend it on is the issue.  Everyone is free to blow their income at the bookies, pub and dope dealer then pop down the food bank when they get the munchies.  The food banks welcome them with open arms as it suits their political agenda to get the opportunity to help people in this way.

Perhaps the answer could be to hand out part of the dole in food vouchers if they can't budget.  Three times down the food bank means vouchers instead of money.

Totally agree, they should have food vouchers 

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3 hours ago, winkie said:

Is anyone seeing this?

The wealthy consuming more, wasting more, becoming more entitled....making more of an negative  impact towards global warming problem, using more energy than their fair share?;)

I'd say so.

The more I earn the more my wife spends on CO2 guzzling holidays.

 

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2 hours ago, bear.getting.old said:

But we don't want a Labour government ...

Speak for yourself.  I tend to think that Labour have been far too right wing in recent years but a decent Socialist Government would be an improvement on this self seeking shower called Tories.

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Oh come on do I have to educate you on the failures and shortcomings of socialism dougless? That would be off topic. What happened to this forum that left wingers have joined. Everyone here in the old days just 'got it' and we all clicked. We had no such need for any such discussions with socialists

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5 hours ago, winkie said:

Is anyone seeing this?

The wealthy consuming more, wasting more, becoming more entitled....making more of an negative  impact towards global warming problem, using more energy than their fair share?;)

What a joke. Its the fast breeding welfare spongers especially the Muslims who are overpopulating ht eplace and using resources. Like the family of 6 chavs opposite me each daughter breeding from 16 getting council houses, 20 plus kids using resources etc 

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4 hours ago, bear.getting.old said:

I don't read the express or any paper for that matter. They are my opinions, you may disagree, I say what I think anyway. But we don't want a Labour government and food banks are the thing the socialists hold up and say look how bad it is - all this poverty. Bullcrap. 

True the richest are getting richer, but the working middle and lower classes are getting poorer, I would say that is the majority of members of this forum

There are many well off on the forum.  And few living hand to mouth. Real rich people won`t moan about how much injustice there is in the world, they just take advantage of it and let the plebs waste their life arguing about it to keep themselves busy. 

 

 

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The birthrate is below replacement level. Who cares if a family on your road has 6 kids, it's obviously not common.

So what if a poor family has Sky TV. £100 a month saved wouldn't necessarily improve their situation if they live in a deprived area and there's few decent jobs. They're often stuck in poverty and it's a distraction, it's understandable. How poor people spend THEIR money doesn't mean you'll have any less.

Most homeless people are in temporary accommodation.  So there are a few chancers on the streets, so what? Don't give them money then give it to the sick-looking ones. People need homes first so that they can feel secure enough to reduce their dependence on substances, not the other way around; leaving people struggling with substance abuse on the streets is disgraceful.

Food banks are only accessible when your benefits have been stopped or when you can prove you are destitute. They became common when the Tories removed crisis loans in 2013 which was unnecessary and are a last resort for the people waiting weeks for universal credit to kick in.

Now charities try to fill the void. Yet it's the government who owes us, because of what they have taken from us: over 70% of the land is owned by about 0.6% of the population and a reported £34,000,000,000 is lost annually in corporate tax evasion. 

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