The Guardian On Mcjobs

[Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Spotted this is the Guardian -

"And what about the much-derided McJob in the land of the golden arches? It seems that here too, prejudices are no match for reality. From its very beginnings, McDonald's has taken staff development seriously. Indeed, with training provided at six centres around the country, formal NVQ accreditation for in-house course modules."

THAT'S THAT THEN, I WANNA MCJOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mushroom]

Spotted this is the Guardian -

"And what about the much-derided McJob in the land of the golden arches? It seems that here too, prejudices are no match for reality. From its very beginnings, McDonald's has taken staff development seriously. Indeed, with training provided at six centres around the country, formal NVQ accreditation for in-house course modules."

THAT'S THAT THEN, I WANNA MCJOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How to salve the consciences of the caring middle classes eh.

"Well that McDonalds do train their staff you know".

Anyone remember a TV expose of behind the scenes in such a place?

[Bubble Pop Electric]

I heard they had a University. I have had many part time jobs years ago - the worst was at a fat food outlet called "wendys" that i haven't seen for a while. They put you on a 0 hours contract i.e. they can tell you when you are working. They also made me watch a training video on making up burgers - where you were told you had to layer three (not 2 or 1) onion rings not "willy nilly" all over the place, but equi-distance from each other and you had to put the sauces on in the shape of a "w" - you could only use two pieces of tomato spread evenly. There i was actually sitting through this video in disbelief - i was supposed to take it very seriously.

[Mushroom]

I heard they had a University. I have had many part time jobs years ago - the worst was at a fat food outlet called "wendys" that i haven't seen for a while. They put you on a 0 hours contract i.e. they can tell you when you are working. They also made me watch a training video on making up burgers - where you were told you had to layer three (not 2 or 1) onion rings not "willy nilly" all over the place, but equi-distance from each other and you had to put the sauces on in the shape of a "w" - you could only use two pieces of tomato spread evenly. There i was actually sitting through this video in disbelief - i was supposed to take it very seriously.

Called the "Specification".

Bland conformity in food with no imaginative input from the employees allowed.

Just how TB would like the country to be.

[delboypass]

Called the "Specification".

Bland conformity in food with no imaginative input from the employees allowed.

Just how TB would like the country to be.

I dont think i would like an 'IMAGINATIVE INPUT' from the employees! I watch enough on tele on CCTV shows

[Smell the Fear]

Called the "Specification".

Bland conformity in food with no imaginative input from the employees allowed.

Just how TB would like the country to be.

Easy to criticise, but I think you would find that many Michelin starred chefs rigourously enforce quality and control and presentation in their restaurants.

From what I recall, Wendy's had a much superior quality of food than say McDonalds.

[BuyingBear]

The Guardian has gone from being an elegant version of the Morning Star into the dumpy establishment paper, they've eschewed their principles and now simply hover in the realm of hypocrisy and vague apologists for a tiresome government.

You will find dozens of columnists each earning £250k a year whittling on about some inane tat or how inequality and poverty solely exist in the third world, how it is entirely our fault and how their corrupt and murderous governments are really quite cuddly and deserving of our largess.

Are there any interesting Guardian pieces to be found on student debt, its affects on people, the inequity of land ownership in Britain, how planning laws passed by the Atlee now only benefit their friends at the Telegraph and Mail, the affects of house prices an entire generation, how one generation will soon bankrupt another generation of tax payers, if not the country. How their views of their lovely Polish plumber hides the fact we have a race to the bottom and rising unemployment in the lower end of the labour market, and what their friends at Gate Gourmet think of that, not to mention our ever increasing native state-dependent underclass. How we have an unsustainable economy fed by debt and the creation of pointless jobs via further debt?

Thought not, maybe another droning piece on the idiocy of G.W. Bush is in order, that'll be original and it will change everything.

[Bubble Pop Electric]

Are there any interesting Guardian pieces to be found on student debt, its affects on people, the inequity of land ownership in Britain, how planning laws passed by the Atlee now only benefit their friends at the Telegraph and Mail, the affects of house prices an entire generation, how one generation will soon bankrupt another generation of tax payers, if not the country. How their views of their lovely Polish plumber hides the fact we have a race to the bottom and rising unemployment in the lower end of the labour market, and what their friends at Gate Gourmet think of that, not to mention our ever increasing native state-dependent underclass. How we have an unsustainable economy fed by debt and the creation of pointless jobs via further debt?

Phew - i'm glad i'm not as clever as you - i wouldn't beable to sleep at night!

[Mushroom]

Easy to criticise, but I think you would find that many Michelin starred chefs rigourously enforce quality and control and presentation in their restaurants.

From what I recall, Wendy's had a much superior quality of food than say McDonalds.

Of course quality, presentation and service is important but the difference is that the good chefs will encourage their staff to be imaginative in the creation of new dishes.

Don't get me started on food.

[Nelly]

This is a burger http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/

[Smell the Fear]

This is a burger http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/

Hope they had the defibrillator on standby......

[RentingQuiteNicely]

This is a burger http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/

Go to the Burgers section, navigate to page 3 and just answer me this......

Where did he get those sideburns

[LTD]

I heard they had a University. I have had many part time jobs years ago - the worst was at a fat food outlet called "wendys" that i haven't seen for a while. They put you on a 0 hours contract i.e. they can tell you when you are working. They also made me watch a training video on making up burgers - where you were told you had to layer three (not 2 or 1) onion rings not "willy nilly" all over the place, but equi-distance from each other and you had to put the sauces on in the shape of a "w" - you could only use two pieces of tomato spread evenly. There i was actually sitting through this video in disbelief - i was supposed to take it very seriously.

There's a McDonalds' University next to E. Finchley tube station (situated on Diploma Avenue, no less). I always wondered what they got up to in there.

[marko]

The Guardian has gone from being an elegant version of the Morning Star into the dumpy establishment paper, they've eschewed their principles and now simply hover in the realm of hypocrisy and vague apologists for a tiresome government.

You will find dozens of columnists each earning £250k a year whittling on about some inane tat or how inequality and poverty solely exist in the third world, how it is entirely our fault and how their corrupt and murderous governments are really quite cuddly and deserving of our largess.

Are there any interesting Guardian pieces to be found on student debt, its affects on people, the inequity of land ownership in Britain, how planning laws passed by the Atlee now only benefit their friends at the Telegraph and Mail, the affects of house prices an entire generation, how one generation will soon bankrupt another generation of tax payers, if not the country. How their views of their lovely Polish plumber hides the fact we have a race to the bottom and rising unemployment in the lower end of the labour market, and what their friends at Gate Gourmet think of that, not to mention our ever increasing native state-dependent underclass. How we have an unsustainable economy fed by debt and the creation of pointless jobs via further debt?

Thought not, maybe another droning piece on the idiocy of G.W. Bush is in order, that'll be original and it will change everything.

Bravo...the Guardian has become little more than an establishment rag bought by socialist NuLab apparatchiks to paw whilst they sit in their French 'Gite' and sup pricey wines they read about in the 'Lifestyle' supplement.

Then it is back to blighty to smile beatifically on the lower-classes whilst employing an Estonian nanny on less than the minimum wage, attending £60 a pop 'LaStone' therapy, and paying for it all by pulling down 150k a year as an 'Excellence Cluster Coordinator'.

Welcome to the MINDBENDING hypocrisy of the self-proclaimed saviours of the UK (nay, the world).

Useless, robbing, C*nts.

Edited February 2, 2006 by marko

[backtoparents]

Bravo...the Guardian has become little more than an establishment rag bought by socialist NuLab apparatchiks to paw whilst they sit in their French 'Gite' and sup pricey wines they read about in the 'Lifestyle' supplement.

Then it is back to blighty to smile beatifically on the lower-classes whilst employing an Estonian nanny on less than the minimum wage, attending £60 a pop 'LaStone' therapy, and paying for it all by pulling down 150k a year as an 'Excellence Cluster Coordinator'.

Welcome to the MINDBENDING hypocrisy of the self-proclaimed saviours of the UK (nay, the world).

Useless, robbing, C*nts.

This is quite scary. I swear we know the same person!

btp

[SarahBell]

I heard they had a University. I have had many part time jobs years ago - the worst was at a fat food outlet called "wendys" that i haven't seen for a while. They put you on a 0 hours contract i.e. they can tell you when you are working. They also made me watch a training video on making up burgers - where you were told you had to layer three (not 2 or 1) onion rings not "willy nilly" all over the place, but equi-distance from each other and you had to put the sauces on in the shape of a "w" - you could only use two pieces of tomato spread evenly. There i was actually sitting through this video in disbelief - i was supposed to take it very seriously.

And you think that posh stuff is less organised and thrown on willy nilly?

I'm sure nouvelle cuisine is made to such exacting standards.

[jellybean]

Bravo...the Guardian has become little more than an establishment rag bought by socialist NuLab apparatchiks to paw whilst they sit in their French 'Gite' and sup pricey wines they read about in the 'Lifestyle' supplement.

I am a Socialist, if not NuLab appatatchik, but I have to say you are right. I I have to read one more fkcuing article about how mummy is having BT and the fckuing builders arround and the fridge is on the blink I...will start reading the Tellegraph or something. FCKUING WNAKERS.

Edited February 2, 2006 by jellybean

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"McJobs boost to inner cities

Report cites beneficial effects of fast-food chain for regeneration

Alison Benjamin and Mark Gould

Wednesday October 13, 2004

The Guardian

For a company so synonymous with low paid, deadend work that it spawned the term McJob, a study firmly placing McDonald's in the engine room of inner-city regeneration may appear odd, especially at a time when its high fat products face criticism for fuelling obesity among the urban poor.

Yet a Work Foundation study, out tomorrow, suggests we should welcome the fast-food chain's economic impact in deprived areas since its arrival on these shores 30 years ago. "

JUST PAY ATTENTION COMRADE - MCDONALDS = GOOD

[aris]

This is a burger:

http://whatupwilly.blogspot.com/2006/01/in...ut-100x100.html

[BuyingBear]

I am a Socialist, if not NuLab appatatchik, but I have to say you are right. I I have to read one more fkcuing article about how mummy is having BT and the fckuing builders arround and the fridge is on the blink I...will start reading the Tellegraph or something. FCKUING WNAKERS.

Now, now JellyBean, it's nearly the top of the hour so you will need to bow down to the shrine you've built in hommage of Crash Gordon and all who sail in her.

[xian]

OK, if I wanted a job, then one in McD's wouldn't be my first choice. However, they ARE a very large company, and they do tend to promote from within. I used to know someone who worked flipping burgers as a student. After graduation, they stayed there, wondering what to do next.

I heard on the grapevine that the person is now an area or regional manager (cannot remember which), with a decent salary, company car etc etc.

OK, OK, I can imagine more interesting jobs, and I've often wondered what an area manager with McD's actually does, since there seems little scope for individuality, however, there it is.

So, I think it is true that they do train their people, and enable career progression. Perhaps many employees do not enjoy any real career progression there; both the ability and desire to progress have to be there.

However, there are lots of McJobs in much smaller companies, who give neither training nor a career progression path, yet they do not get slated simply because they are not in the public eye.

The fact that the food is crap (IMO), and has been the subject of various negative documentaries should not cloud one's judgement.

Edited February 2, 2006 by xian

[jrbxyz]

The Guardian has gone from being an elegant version of the Morning Star into the dumpy establishment paper, they've eschewed their principles and now simply hover in the realm of hypocrisy and vague apologists for a tiresome government.

You will find dozens of columnists each earning £250k a year whittling on about some inane tat or how inequality and poverty solely exist in the third world, how it is entirely our fault and how their corrupt and murderous governments are really quite cuddly and deserving of our largess.

Are there any interesting Guardian pieces to be found on student debt, its affects on people, the inequity of land ownership in Britain, how planning laws passed by the Atlee now only benefit their friends at the Telegraph and Mail, the affects of house prices an entire generation, how one generation will soon bankrupt another generation of tax payers, if not the country. How their views of their lovely Polish plumber hides the fact we have a race to the bottom and rising unemployment in the lower end of the labour market, and what their friends at Gate Gourmet think of that, not to mention our ever increasing native state-dependent underclass. How we have an unsustainable economy fed by debt and the creation of pointless jobs via further debt?

Thought not, maybe another droning piece on the idiocy of G.W. Bush is in order, that'll be original and it will change everything.

Well-said!! You should put this together and send it as a letter to the Guardian.

The hidden (& not-so-hidden) class snobbery of the Guardian and Independent is maddening when put next to their daily doses of political sanctimony. Read all about the evils of Shell Oil and George W. Bush on the Independent's front page, and then browse through adverts for smart villas in Tuscany and the Loire Valley (& how to avoid French & Italian taxmen) in the Independent's property section. And of course we all remember the Independent's good-news-for-2006 item -- rising house prices.

Has the Guardian ever reflected on the fact that it shares the same immigration policy positions as the Wall Street Journal in the US (a very conservative, pro-business paper)? It makes one almost want to reach for The Sun........ well, maybe not quite that nauseating.

That said, I find it appalling how easily people take the p%ss out of those who work at McDonalds & other fast food chains. There's honour in doing a good day's work, at least that's what I once was taught...

Edited February 2, 2006 by jrbxyz

[CrashedOutAndBurned]

It's not true to say the Guardian has sold out. The Guardian was always traditionally the Liberal paper. It's only ever had standoffish support for the very mildest forms of social democracy. A campaigning paper it ain't, and only gets a left-of-centre readership by default who'd rather not read the Torygraph.

Wonder why they may critisise injustice overseas while ignoring it at home? Well, as Phil Ochs said of liberals, '20 degrees to the left of center in good times, 20 degrees to the right of center if affects them personally'.

[xian]

Well, as Phil Ochs said of liberals, '20 degrees to the left of center in good times, 20 degrees to the right of center if affects them personally'.

What a great quote!

A little OT now, but I have another, from a teacher when I was about 14 .... If you're young and you don't vote Labour, you haven't got a heart. If you're older and you don't vote Conservative, you haven't got a brain.

Perhaps this isn't an original quote... maybe someone here knows where it's from? If it is original, then I think it's a great one from him.

[marko]

So, I think it is true that they do train their people, and enable career progression. Perhaps many employees do not enjoy any real career progression there; both the ability and desire to progress have to be there.

This is certainly true though - I know a guy who started off as a burger-flipper and he is now head of product development for MacDonalds UK. He is the guy responsible (to blame?) when they roll out their Special Edition Indian-style Lamb Burgers and whatnot.

I loitered in the kitchen of a MacDonalds for a day as part of a course we were on to do with operations management...it is a pretty regimented set-up!

p.s. Mind you, I suggested to him that they should do hotdogs, which they apparently then did, so you can blame me for that one.

The hidden (& not-so-hidden) class snobbery of the Guardian and Independent is maddening when put next to their daily doses of political sanctimony.

Yes, it surely is. The Indy is just as bad as the Guardian IMO. I have noticed that George Monbiot (a true eye-poker and, although I don't agree with all of what he says, a man for whom I have a great, great deal of respect) doesn't seem to write in the Guardian much anymore...probably he has realised how far up it's own ar5e it has crawled.

Guardian-reading Whale-watchers on the Thames looking at confused whale:

#1: I feel so close to nature darling, I think it is so sad...I blame George Bush (again). We must do something.

#2: I know, let's book a whale-watching holiday in Iceland - we can help save the planet and impress our vacuous friends - I read about it in the Observer travel supplement...only £5000 for a week for two people.

#1: Great, let's do it...I love being a granola munching overpaid hypocrite.

#2: Me too, and I really care about the environment....fancy a triple-decker mocha-choca-thaibocca-maradonna-chino, containing various ingredients flown in expensively from around the world to pander to our ridiculous lifestyle-supplement-diktat tastes? Soooooo authentic.

#1: Sure!

#2: ...Taxi!

AaarrrrrgggghhhH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

What a great quote!

A little OT now, but I have another, from a teacher when I was about 14 .... If you're young and you don't vote Labour, you haven't got a heart. If you're older and you don't vote Conservative, you haven't got a brain.

Perhaps this isn't an original quote... maybe someone here knows where it's from? If it is original, then I think it's a great one from him.

I remember Kevin Spacey's character in 'Swmming with Sharks' saying something similar:

'If you aren't a rebel when you are twenty you have no heart, if you aren't a sell-out by thirty you have no brain'. The meaning is largely the same, if not the sentiment.

Edited February 2, 2006 by marko