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As humans do we really want population growth?

we can’t sustain it.. 

im sick to death of the destruction of this planet too feed this sick economy.. 

Time to end it! 

The rich can barely wipe their own bums! but still dictate we should destroy everything to increase their wealth further! 

I have visions of one of those futuristic films where we all live in boxes and the sky is black from pollution and wars.. 

just to feed the greed! 

 

 

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1 hour ago, macca13 said:

As humans do we really want population growth?

we can’t sustain it.. 

im sick to death of the destruction of this planet too feed this sick economy.. 

 

 

 

Capitalism needs population increases. Masters need serfs.

Meanwhile the serfs need accommodation.

TBH I’d far rather they use up these grey spaces than encroach on green ones. 

 

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We are all consumers with wants and needs.....numbers count, the more people the more they spend, why then spend more on wants when the basic needs have not been covered?.......first things first.😉

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4 hours ago, macca13 said:

As humans do we really want population growth?

we can’t sustain it.. 

im sick to death of the destruction of this planet too feed this sick economy.. 

Time to end it! 

The rich can barely wipe their own bums! but still dictate we should destroy everything to increase their wealth further! 

I have visions of one of those futuristic films where we all live in boxes and the sky is black from pollution and wars.. 

just to feed the greed! 

 

 

 

Read the lyrics. Very prescient.

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6 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

Why?

Easiest way to keep economic growth going once most people have the means to live pretty comfortable lives (which has been the case for decades) and the novelty of further gimmicks starts to wear off.

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7 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

Why?

It's the majority of the planet's money supply being issued as debt at interest that necessitates constant growth just to stand still, not Capitalism.  This growth can come from, amongst other things, increasing the number of consumers,  increasing the amount they consume, increasing the worker pool to suppress wages,  corporate mergers supposedly to create higher efficiency, or through technological advances, which are the only sources of real growth.

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On ‎23‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 14:36, macca13 said:

As humans do we really want population growth?

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just to feed the greed! 

I think greed may be a bigger factor in keeping populations down. There are more resources per person if the population is lower.

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1 hour ago, Noallegiance said:

There appears to be confusion over what capitalism is.

The clue is in the name.

Growth isn't a prerequisite, either.

Please give an example of thriving capitalism not requiring increasing population. 

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5 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

There appears to be confusion over what capitalism is.

The clue is in the name.

Growth isn't a prerequisite, either.

Capitalism requires a return on capital. Historically this has been achieved through expanding markets. It's nothing new. It's discussed in the communist manifesto. We don't know how to do capitalism without running a ponzi scheme. 

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This just seems like sensible urban planning. Trains don't need to be above ground. Take it a step further and put the cars, buses, vans and lorries underground too.

Imagine a town or city in which ground level was entirely reserved for pedestrians and bicycles. It would have a holiday atmosphere every day. Probably pretty close to paradise.

Hopefully one day it will be economically viable to do this.

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On ‎23‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 14:36, macca13 said:

As humans do we really want population growth?

we can’t sustain it.. 

im sick to death of the destruction of this planet too feed this sick economy.. 

Time to end it! 

The rich can barely wipe their own bums! but still dictate we should destroy everything to increase their wealth further! 

I have visions of one of those futuristic films where we all live in boxes and the sky is black from pollution and wars.. 

just to feed the greed! 

World population growth is already baked in to around 11bn. the good news is that is a peak and it will decline after that.

We already know how to stop population growth, as people get richer they have less children. Once this results in women having a career the growth rate drops below 0.

In the meantime banging on about it will have no effect whatsoever.    

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13 hours ago, Dorkins said:

This just seems like sensible urban planning. Trains don't need to be above ground. Take it a step further and put the cars, buses, vans and lorries underground too.

Imagine a town or city in which ground level was entirely reserved for pedestrians and bicycles. It would have a holiday atmosphere every day. Probably pretty close to paradise.

Hopefully one day it will be economically viable to do this.

The only sensible reply so far that is on topic. Others have somehow converted a headline that basically states that unused space could be used productively as some deeper observation about the very nature of capitalism and itsrequirement for population growth.

London has quite a lot of unused space above tube lines - the obvious one being the circle and district lines that are in a prime location. And it has been built on before - Gloucester Rd tube was open air and Fulham Broadway until quite recently. 

Increasing retail and domestic space in zone one is not going to be responsible for a sharp rise in population.

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On 24/12/2018 at 16:27, PeanutButter said:

Please give an example of thriving capitalism not requiring increasing population. 

You may as well write 'prove to me that God doesn't exist'.

It was your assertion that capitalism requires population increases - now demonstrate it, rather than ask others to prove you wrong.  Clearly nothing in standard capitalist theory demands it (unlike the freedom to agree contracts which is required).

A proponent of capitalism would argue that capitalism facilitates population growth because it allows for a more efficient allocation of resources and since we are biologically programmed to reproduce and demand food, capitalism allows it.

You may as well argue that socialist/communist regimes require starvation because these regimes tend to end up with food shortages. 

And as honkeydonkey observed, Japan'spopulation is shrinking and still has the characteristics of a capitalist country. 

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