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The worse November figures since the ''last'' recession and high street retail sales for this weekend (the busiest shopping weekend of the year) down 9% on last year.

All blamed on the pesky weather of course.... even though the weather this time last year was even worse, colder with widespread snow.

 

Still of course, it's nothing at all to do with people committing record proportions of their income to keeping a roof over their head.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46583424

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Was November weather all that bad? Was pretty normal for the time of year wasn't it?

It's whinging about yesterday, which was rather unpleasant, but banging on about one day - not nice but not exceptionally bad either, is rather ridiculous.

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20 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Was November weather all that bad? Was pretty normal for the time of year wasn't it?

It's whinging about yesterday, which was rather unpleasant, but banging on about one day - not nice but not exceptionally bad either, is rather ridiculous.

Which sums up our economy nicely.  The UK is so flaky now that one slightly chilly day becomes a reason for our continuing downward spiral.

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30 minutes ago, dougless said:

Which sums up our economy nicely.  The UK is so flaky now that one slightly chilly day becomes a reason for our continuing downward spiral.

Due to "a light shower within 20 miles."

(Basil Fawlty).

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1 hour ago, Ghostly said:

Beat me to it. Do we believe them this time or will they be announcing “record sales” again in January?

Interesting point.  In recent years there have been a lot of complaints about sales before Christmas.

 

But then they some how manage to pull something out of the bag, and have a good / respectable Christmas period.

 

Maybe this time they won't be able to pull something out of the bag in the last week of trading.

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1. Why does the BBC consider this headline news?  If its a slow news day then just play some f***ing music!

2. Does anybody honestly believe Joe public will think "Oh well that's blown my one and only chance, I'll just put those purchases behind me.."  No, you BBC tosspots - they'll just spend more over the next few days.

3.  If some sales are lost for ever isn't that a GOOD thing - the BBC bang on enough about sustainable energy and the environment, but seem to consistently fail to see the connection with excessive and unnecessary consumption.

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1 hour ago, Freki said:

The inability to distinguish effect and affect is infuriating. Like mixing than/then or have/of.

Your not wrong there, to many posters on here who should of payed more attention in school.

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1 hour ago, Council estate capitalist said:

Poor sales = Bad weather, Brexit, Terrorists. etc.  Management still get a paid/bonus

Good sales = Management genius. Management get paid larger bonus.

+1

 

Now isn't that the truth, and if property prices crash it will be down to Brexit, I once thought Blair and Kirstie Allsopp would one day hang because of the falling housing market, now it looks like it will be "our fault".

For what it is worth, did some Xmas shopping in St Neots and Huntingdon yesterday, was  amazed how quite it was. Not sure if this is all about people being skint though, I am spending less than half than I normally would and am far from skint, I am just sick of giving into social pressure and buying people dross to prove I love or like them.

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Popped out, free parking at supermarket......one large chain shop said outside 'closing down all stock must be sold' asked them why? said something about poor parking availability, no trains, few buses......big notice attached to the counter at the tills......saying, we are still negotiating with our landlords....so I am putting it down to unaffordable rents along with rates, staff costs, energy/upkeep.......poor Pound rate of exchange growing costs, shrinking margins when people have falling value in their own pockets to spend when food, housing, bills and debt are priority......something has to break.😉

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23 minutes ago, localhero1983 said:

For what it is worth, did some Xmas shopping in St Neots and Huntingdon yesterday, was  amazed how quite it was. Not sure if this is all about people being skint though, I am spending less than half than I normally would and am far from skint, I am just sick of giving into social pressure and buying people dross to prove I love or like them.

I was in Telford on the 13th and it felt a lot quieter than last year. The only bags I could see where Primark ones(Might be because the paper bags are free). HoF was dead.  

I'm hoping I don't get any tat this year, I'm certainly struggling to find presents for people that aren't plastic rubbish or "petrol station gifts" like Lynx gift sets. 

 

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4 hours ago, reddog said:

But then they some how manage to pull something out of the bag, and have a good / respectable Christmas period.

No they don't, someone list of all the big name high street brands either lost over the past few years or needing major restructuring / financing or a new owner.

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I'm employed delivering people's internet tat and so far this Christmas doesn't seem quite as manic as other recent ones, so not sure these latest figures showing a further demise of the high street can be entirely blamed internet shopping.

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6 hours ago, hotblack42 said:

3.  If some sales are lost for ever isn't that a GOOD thing - the BBC bang on enough about sustainable energy and the environment, but seem to consistently fail to see the connection with excessive and unnecessary consumption.

Not just the BBC. We've created a system that utterly relies on excessive and unnecessary consumption. Look at all the hair-pulling when that decreases and the cheers when it increases - "economic growth" is what it's called.

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I went to a drinky poo to a bar/restaurant on gracechurch st, near threadneedle st, one of the people who was a friend of a friend is an IT consultant (British but of Indian origin) who was making £5k per month in 2016 is now making less than £2k per month his expenditure is £3.5k per month, says that he has 7 clients 4 are in bad condition and will not last long.

i think IT consultants may be also feeling the pain

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5 hours ago, Council estate capitalist said:

I'm hoping I don't get any tat this year, I'm certainly struggling to find presents for people that aren't plastic rubbish or "petrol station gifts" like Lynx gift sets. 

 

I generally only buy gifts for my sibling' children and they generally only ever get bought books: E.g. "How To Win Friends And Influence People" for my clever but socially awkward 11 year old nephew.

Never get someone cosmetics as a present because it's a bit an insulting implication that you think they are old-looking or smelly.

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12 hours ago, Diver Dan said:

I generally only buy gifts for my sibling' children and they generally only ever get bought books: E.g. "How To Win Friends And Influence People" for my clever but socially awkward 11 year old nephew.

Never get someone cosmetics as a present because it's a bit an insulting implication that you think they are old-looking or smelly.

Also never get people gifts to help them win friends and influence people, especially if they are smart but socially awkward, because it's a bit insulting to imply that you think they are socially retarded - they are smart enough to see right through the situation and this will probably send them deeper into an introversion death spiral.

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2 minutes ago, btd1981 said:

Also never get people gifts to help them win friends and influence people, especially if they are smart but socially awkward, because it's a bit insulting to imply that you think they are socially retarded - they are smart enough to see right through the situation and this will probably send them deeper into an introversion death spiral.

Introversion death spiral?

I don't like the phrase "socially awkward" either. "Socially uninterested" is probably more accurate for people who view the whole socialising, networking, influencing thing as tedious and banal.

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19 hours ago, localhero1983 said:

+1

 

Now isn't that the truth, and if property prices crash it will be down to Brexit, I once thought Blair and Kirstie Allsopp would one day hang because of the falling housing market, now it looks like it will be "our fault".

For what it is worth, did some Xmas shopping in St Neots and Huntingdon yesterday, was  amazed how quite it was. Not sure if this is all about people being skint though, I am spending less than half than I normally would and am far from skint, I am just sick of giving into social pressure and buying people dross to prove I love or like them.

It is dead in Huntingdon. Next and TK Maxx seem to attract ladies but there doesn't seem to be an obvious shop for men. James Cox is the only menswear shop but an Oxfam, Cash converters and Magnet don't really tempt.

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19 hours ago, localhero1983 said:

 Not sure if this is all about people being skint though, I am spending less than half than I normally would and am far from skint, I am just sick of giving into social pressure and buying people dross to prove I love or like them.

More and more people seem to be saying similar.

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The main thing is the growth in online shopping. We bought all our Christmas presents online this year. Wide choice, no crowds. Most of our non-food purchases are online now.

Compared to last year  I do not think its bad weather, and incomes and employment are up (best in many years, especially for low paid who spend the highest proportion of increases in income) so its not lack of money.

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