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Anyone got any thoughts on them?

 

What is the background of the protesters (I mean economic group)?

 

Is it a case of the squeezed middle in one place at least deciding to fit back?

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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mgv4gn/chalecos-reflectantes-entrar-gratis

The world is a stratified place. Important people get into exclusive places. Everyone else has to pay shit loads of money, or watch longingly through the fence. But there's a loophole into getting into places for free, if you're so inclined. You just need to pretend to be an important person. And people who wear hi-vis are important in the sense that they fix things no one else cares about. If you see someone in hi-vis stepping through a barricade, or marching past a bouncer, you naturally assume they're headed to fix something. This makes a hi-vis vest the keys to life.

 

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28 minutes ago, prozac said:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mgv4gn/chalecos-reflectantes-entrar-gratis

The world is a stratified place. Important people get into exclusive places. Everyone else has to pay shit loads of money, or watch longingly through the fence. But there's a loophole into getting into places for free, if you're so inclined. You just need to pretend to be an important person. And people who wear hi-vis are important in the sense that they fix things no one else cares about. If you see someone in hi-vis stepping through a barricade, or marching past a bouncer, you naturally assume they're headed to fix something. This makes a hi-vis vest the keys to life.

 

That's good because every driver in France has one.

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It does seem to be the ''squeezed middle'' the protesters are from a wide age range.

 

I can't imagine this type and level of protests ever occurring in this country, the squeezed middle are more concerned with being compliant, obedient debt slave worker drones, too busy fretting about losing their latest pcp Audi, i phone and of course their precious house.

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Inflation has been very high in France in recent years.....people do not like their wages buying less month on month year on year.....at some point they have to say something.

I don't think they are eligible for tax credits.😉

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Rising inequality, JAMs just felt like it was the straw that broke the camel's back. 

We have generational inequalities that are harder and harder to justify. In the UK housing will reflect that division. In France, it feels like a division around opportunities. 

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5 hours ago, nome said:

 

 

I can't imagine this type and level of protests ever occurring in this country, the squeezed middle are more concerned with being compliant, obedient debt slave worker drones, too busy fretting about losing their latest pcp Audi, i phone and of course their precious house.

Yeah, that is kind of why I posted this.  Would be very interesting if the skilled working class and lower middle class kicked off in this country!  

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The French used to be famous for kicking off when they started to get squeezed. I am amazed they have been so quiet for so long.

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2 minutes ago, doomed said:

The French used to be famous for kicking off when they started to get squeezed. I am amazed they have been so quiet for so long.

They have not a revolution for such a long time 

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8 hours ago, Freki said:

Rising inequality, JAMs just felt like it was the straw that broke the camel's back. 

We have generational inequalities that are harder and harder to justify. In the UK housing will reflect that division. In France, it feels like a division around opportunities. 

Have you seen rent prices in Paris.. I would say housing in cities is just as ridiculous all over Europe as U.K. 

Went to Brussels after 20 years away and it’s a third world ghetto now.. used to be nice 

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13 hours ago, nome said:

It does seem to be the ''squeezed middle'' the protesters are from a wide age range.

 

I can't imagine this type and level of protests ever occurring in this country, the squeezed middle are more concerned with being compliant, obedient debt slave worker drones, too busy fretting about losing their latest pcp Audi, i phone and of course their precious house.

I'd beg to differ mate, we have brexit.

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17 hours ago, winkie said:

Inflation has been very high in France in recent years.....people do not like their wages buying less month on month year on year.....at some point they have to say something.

I don't think they are eligible for tax credits.😉

France is now looking like the UK in the 1970's.

But don;t feel too left out, we will be reverting soon

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4 hours ago, macca13 said:

Have you seen rent prices in Paris.. I would say housing in cities is just as ridiculous all over Europe as U.K. 

Went to Brussels after 20 years away and it’s a third world ghetto now.. used to be nice 

You are not the same person you used to be 20 years ago, you are not as good looking not as strong not as hip.

I wish I had appreciated my youth...

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31 minutes ago, localhero1983 said:

France is now looking like the UK in the 1970's.

Looks like they may be heading for a state of emergency.

 

It doesn't get much publicity that France was in a state of emergency for 2 years after the Paris terror attacks.

 

The use of "state of emergencies" sounds more like a 1970s South American dictatorship!

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It seems similar to social unrest under thatcher in 1980s, miners strike. Macron is trying to dismantle the rigid french system of employment laws and benefits that favours workers, move from direct taxation to indirect taxation as happened in uk. He was created and funded by vested interests to do this under the guise of centrism. Unlike thatcher who won a landslide, he only has mandate from a quarter of voting public(first round), then won in the second round as it was either him or a fascist. 

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23 hours ago, reddog said:

Anyone got any thoughts on them?

 

What is the background of the protesters (I mean economic group)?

 

Is it a case of the squeezed middle in one place at least deciding to fit back?

 

1 hour ago, nothernsoul said:

It seems similar to social unrest under thatcher in 1980s, miners strike. Macron is trying to dismantle the rigid french system of employment laws and benefits that favours workers, move from direct taxation to indirect taxation as happened in uk. He was created and funded by vested interests to do this under the guise of centrism. Unlike thatcher who won a landslide, he only has mandate from a quarter of voting public(first round), then won in the second round as it was either him or a fascist. 

Its a protest against fuel price rises linked to a green agenda. The metropolitan elite in Paris who travel  by metro/do short journeys by chaffeur/uber vs the poor and those living in rural areas who need cars to get around.

It certainly has some parallels to Brexit.

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On 01/12/2018 at 16:30, reddog said:

Anyone got any thoughts on them?

 

What is the background of the protesters (I mean economic group)?

 

Is it a case of the squeezed middle in one place at least deciding to fight back?

 

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8 hours ago, Si1 said:

I'd beg to differ mate, we have brexit.

I actually think it's a fair point that Brexit is a fight back from the British people.

 

What makes me sick though is seeing twee middle class people in Britain trying to "keep up appearances" and not rock the boat, when they have been losers on a massive scale over the last 20 or so years.

 

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In his last budget macron cut 26 billion euros in tax, 6 billion for employees, 20 billion for employers. Justification to stimulate economy and reduce unemployment by making it cheaper to hire and fire, like in the uk. The justification for raising fuel tax may be a green agenda, but ultimately it will be to fill the hole left by cutting direct taxes. The same way since 1979 direct taxes have been cut but VAT which was in single figures, is now 20 percent. 

The causes of dissatisfaction may be varied and complex, but macron is seen as being for the rich, and that will be the driver behind the riots. Unlike thatcher, i think macron will fail, not just because france is more militant, but the world is different now. 

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18 minutes ago, nothernsoul said:

The causes of dissatisfaction may be varied and complex, but macron is seen as being for the rich, and that will be the driver behind the riots. Unlike thatcher, i think macron will fail, not just because france is more militant, but the world is different now. 

Well, Thatcher placcated enough people at the time, there was a service/retail/tech boom in the 80s/90s West to disguise the crumbling of moribund manufacturing, her policies kinda worked in the short to medium term (for the professionals and rich), and there wasn't 15 to 20 years of Neo-Liberalism thoroughly discrediting itself and endlessly shuffling from one intractable global crisis to the next yet.

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3 hours ago, nothernsoul said:

He was created and funded by vested interests to do this under the guise of centrism. Unlike thatcher who won a landslide, he only has mandate from a quarter of voting public(first round), then won in the second round as it was either him or a fascist.  

Yes private vested interests.. which would make him a fascist then? So a fascist beat another fascist? Or was it a fascist beat a nationalist?

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The public in western countries have seen their wages stagnate and job security and working conditions become more precarious. Cheap debt and feel good house price wealth masked this for a while. As a protest we have seen the establishment elite, hilary clinton and her ilk, being defeated. Macron is an establishment figure, made to look fresh and new, who won because the anti globalist candidate he ran against was too unpalatable. However, his terrible approval ratings and these protests, make a lie of the claims from so called progressives, that if only we had sensible managerialist "centrists" like yvette copper instead of corbyn, everything would be great. 

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The ruling western elites believed there own propaganda and cant understand the contempt that the public hold for them. How else to explain their incredulity over brexit, or how their entitled presidential candidate could be beaten by a reality star, or members of the labour party would choose a backbencher in his sixties over the three identical careerists put in front of them. 

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