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Rising seas threaten to engulf 1.7m homes, Met Office warns

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rising-seas-threaten-to-engulf-1-7m-homes-met-office-warns-sn5nbhmzg

"The Met Office warns tomorrow that climate change and rising sea levels will threaten more than 1.5m homes, turn farmland into marsh and wash away beaches by the end of the century.

Its UK Climate Projections report forecasts that the seas around Britain are likely to increase by 3-4ft by 2100, inundating low-lying land, putting 1.7m homes at risk and destroying many holiday beaches.

Some coastal towns may have to be abandoned because the huge cost of sea defences will make them “unviable”. Many stretches of prime, low-lying farmland could also be lost, with the lowest, such as Romney Marsh in Kent, the Somerset Levels and parts of Essex facing near-permanent inundation. "

Reminds me of an old hpc thread ...

Flooded Again - Time To Build Thousands Of Floating Houses

https://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/207551-flooded-again-time-to-build-thousands-of-floating-houses

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"The Modern Warm Period is now in the rear vision mirror though and we have returned to 19th century levels of activity. Warmth and pleasantness are boring; the climate is going to get a lot more interesting. Thus the record cold currently in the northeastern US may become more common."

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/24/solar-cycle-update-for-november-2018-warmth-sticking-around-or-cooling-ahead/

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On 25/11/2018 at 13:13, Giraffe said:

We are heading into a Grand Solar Minimum. We need to increase CO2 emissions. Unless you want to go skating on the Thames in April of course. 

Sounds fantastic tbh, I have really missed the winters of my [relatively recent] youth.

On 25/11/2018 at 12:23, Saving For a Space Ship said:

Some coastal towns may have to be abandoned because the huge cost of sea defences will make them “unviable”. Many stretches of prime, low-lying farmland could also be lost, with the lowest, such as Romney Marsh in Kent, the Somerset Levels and parts of Essex facing near-permanent inundation. "

And yet Dutchmen with nothing more than windmills and backbone found it worth their while to drag an entire country from the sea.

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There's a coastal village called fairbourne in Gwynedd where the Welsh gov and NRW have been talking for years about a ''managed retreat''... in other words not continuing to maintain the coastal defences and allow the area to be reclaimed by the sea over the course of the next 10-30 years.

 

You would think this would have resulted in houses there becoming virtually worthless, but it appears to have had very little impact on property prices as far as I can see.

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On 25/11/2018 at 13:13, Giraffe said:

We are heading into a Grand Solar Minimum. We need to increase CO2 emissions. Unless you want to go skating on the Thames in April of course. 

This is true. And the bigger picture is that we are living in an Ice Age for last few million years - the glaciers on the Somerset Levels were overdue already.

I'm more concerned about the toxic shock pollution levels and destruction of wilderness - the jungles, rain forests etc.

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Black Friday report shows climate change already very expensive in U.S

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1120091_black-friday-report-shows-climate-change-already-very-expensive-in-u-s

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A long-awaited climate report that the Trump administration released on Black Friday reportedly in an attempt to bury the news, shows that climate change is already having a dramatic effect on life in the U.S., and that among the things it will damage is the American economy.

The report anticipates that if significant steps aren't taken to reduce global warming, it could cut 10 percent off American gross domestic product by 10 percent by 2100.

Thirteen federal agencies including the National Academy of Sciences, the Committee on Environmental and Natural Resources, and the National Science and Technology Council, along with university and commercial scientists were required by Congress to release the report, called the Fourth National Climate Assessment. Lacking the legal authority to quash the report, the Trump administration released it on what is notoriously one of the slowest news days of the year, when Americans are out shopping.

CHECK OUT: Catastrophic climate effects could hit by 2040, UN report says

The report links heat waves, wildfires, hurricanes, flooding, droughts, crop failures, and damage to infrastructure that has already affected U.S. communities to climate change, and says that "to avoid substantial damages to the U.S. economy, environment, and human health and well-being over the coming decades," people must take aggressive steps to mitigate climate effects and adapt to those that are already inevitable.

A chapter focusing on the transportation sector noted that in 2016 it became the top contributor to U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.

Crop yields from the U.S. Midwest, known as the "breadbasket of the world," could fall to 1980 levels by 2050, the report estimates, and that the southeastern U.S. could develop its own fire season. It enumerates the infrastructure damage that has already occurred due to flooding in the southeast and East Coast, and wildfires in the West, for example. ...

 

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I thought this thread was worth a bump, given all the climate change headlines today , ie 2 big eco groups saying 'we have to deal with climate change this year or its too late' , and BOE Carney saying major corp assets could be wiped out by climate change.

It begs the question is Climate change the big black swan for property?

on the same day we are still seeing headlines like:

Plans for £1billion of developments across Brighton and Hove in coming years

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18127146.plans-1billion-developments-across-brighton-hove-coming-years/ 

How about spending £1 billion putting Bton & hove buildings on rails and moving them inland as the place could be wiped out by rising sea levels ?

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On 26/11/2018 at 23:50, PeanutButter said:

So hands up who here would buy seafront/riverside property now, given the means?

Its one thing to claim this won’t happen and another to put your money where your mouth is.

If you expected sea levels to rise a certain amount. You could buy a propert which view is blocked by a (lower) house in front. 
 

let nature wash that house away giving you a brand new sea view. 
 

Quids in. 

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2 hours ago, Saving For a Space Ship said:

I thought this thread was worth a bump, given all the climate change headlines today , ie 2 big eco groups saying 'we have to deal with climate change this year or its too late' , and BOE Carney saying major corp assets could be wiped out by climate change.

It begs the question is Climate change the big black swan for property?

They need to get a grip, this "we must do everything right now or we're all doomed!" is absurd and extreme and puts people off. And they still won't face the elephant in the room of population levels. And will still keep barking on at people in countries with reducing emission levels rather than increasing ones. The UK's pretty far down the list for developed countries on a per capita basis (which rules out the "we can ignore it because we're small, so indivdually we don't have to bother" argument, although the downside is that it also doesn't help the "need fewer people one" either), direct your attention elsewhere and when you've got them to the same level we are perhaps I'll re-evaluate the situation then instead of telling the greenies to sod off.

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9 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

They need to get a grip, this "we must do everything right now or we're all doomed!" is absurd and extreme and puts people off. And they still won't face the elephant in the room of population levels. And will still keep barking on at people in countries with reducing emission levels rather than increasing ones. The UK's pretty far down the list for developed countries on a per capita basis (which rules out the "we can ignore it because we're small, so indivdually we don't have to bother" argument, although the downside is that it also doesn't help the "need fewer people one" either), direct your attention elsewhere and when you've got them to the same level we are perhaps I'll re-evaluate the situation then instead of telling the greenies to sod off.

UK fertility rate is 1.8.

I don't see UK population rising to higher levels.

We may have people living longer but that won't be true for every generation.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2018#the-number-of-births-crude-birth-and-total-fertility-rates-decreased-in-2018

BUT you're partially right, IF we don't control immigration to UK, we MAY end up with much higher population.

At last with Brexit, some of concerns about immigration (especially illegal and asylum) will be addressed.

Otherwise, below kind of news becomes more and more common after Brexit:

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2019-12-29/seven-suspected-migrants-rescued-off-coast-of-dover/

 

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I don't believe leaving the EU will have any impact on immigration, in fact it may mean we have a different type of high immigration meaning wealthier/skilled immigration (if we can lure them here) but will still always have and will accept those that are fleeing from war, hatred and persecution......fewer children to fertile couples are being born due mainly to inadequate housing and social support....single parents will require more help from family and community, less from state......living longer, as inequality widens so will life expectancy widen...all part and parcel of the same thing.......greater gaps, more people will fall through. 

Easy to see the figures......stress, poverty, pollution, fear, poor access to health services and addiction will see life is shortened......peace, love, support, security and harmony, sufficiency of needs, clean air, excellent access to health services...will see life expectancy improve and lengthen.;)

 

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2 hours ago, winkie said:

I don't believe leaving the EU will have any impact on immigration, in fact it may mean we have a different type of high immigration meaning wealthier/skilled immigration (if we can lure them here) but will still always have and will accept those that are fleeing from war, hatred and persecution.....

Directly it won't, because the same short-termist idiots who made use of the EU to pile people in will find another pillar now that one's been kicked out from under them, it's a battle of attrition. I fear their pig-headishness will ultimately lead to that getting very nasty.

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.fewer children to fertile couples are being born due mainly to inadequate housing and social support....

Which raises the depressing prospect of addressing those and birth rates going up again. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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