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Lol, protesting at a development to house 7 people. Makes me want to raise the retirement age to infinity if these pensioners have nothing better to do with their time.

Maybe they should campaign for something positive instead of trying to stop everybody else living their lives.

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2 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Lol, protesting at a development to house 7 people. Makes me want to raise the retirement age to infinity if these pensioners have nothing better to do with their time.

Maybe they should campaign for something positive instead of trying to stop everybody else living their lives.

Yeah it's a shocking story. Vile people.

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7 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Yeah it's a shocking story. Vile people.

Shame on the councillors for overriding the council's planning and highways departments' recommendations. If there is no factual reason to refuse an application, it should be approved.

I looked up the two councillors mentioned in the article, you'll never guess what they look like:

http://moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=25

https://moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=1000000136

They got their housing decades ago, everybody else can get stuffed.

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2 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Shame on the councillors for overriding the council's planning and highways departments' recommendations. If there is no factual reason to refuse an application, it should be approved.

I looked up the two councillors mentioned in the article, you'll never guess what they look like:

http://moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=25

https://moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=1000000136

They got their housing decades ago, everybody else can get stuffed.

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Of course, the real reason for the refusal is that the old people already living on the street don't want to live next to people in their 20s and 30s. They can't say that though so instead they make up excuses about parking even though the highways department said it wasn't worried.

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1 hour ago, Dorkins said:

Shame on the councillors for overriding the council's planning and highways departments' recommendations. If there is no factual reason to refuse an application, it should be approved.

I looked up the two councillors mentioned in the article, you'll never guess what they look like:

http://moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=25

https://moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=1000000136

They got their housing decades ago, everybody else can get stuffed.

Well, even if they didn’t get their housing, then can get now a retirement flat for half the price thay ftb get.

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A certain Bos Train-wreck (nations leading academic portfolio DEBTjunkie) would be all over a cheeky seven bedder, she won’t take this one lying down... prepare for a long long letter in the paper or an even longer paper in the bin of some councillor

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Hmm,

Im with the objectors on this.

As a general rule - living near a HMO or having an HMO in a primarily residential area is hell on earth.

Depending on the area and rent, they tend to go two ways:

- Council start filling it up with alchis and dross.

Scabby council have finally twigged that having the old Bnb filling up with drunks and prisoners from West Yorkshire is not really creating an environment conductive to a family holiday resort.

Problem with social HOs is that you end up with the cheaper areas being asink for the suroundign area. The way sopcial housing/bnenefits goes, It tips the struggling area into economic oblivion.

- Working HMO.

No real problem bar the parking.

If the HMO is regulated and has adequate parking for 1.5 x no. flats then fine.

If it has a single parking space then there should only be 1 parking permit.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Hmm,

Im with the objectors on this.

As a general rule - living near a HMO or having an HMO in a primarily residential area is hell on earth.

Depending on the area and rent, they tend to go two ways:

- Council start filling it up with alchis and dross.

Scabby council have finally twigged that having the old Bnb filling up with drunks and prisoners from West Yorkshire is not really creating an environment conductive to a family holiday resort.

Problem with social HOs is that you end up with the cheaper areas being asink for the suroundign area. The way sopcial housing/bnenefits goes, It tips the struggling area into economic oblivion.

- Working HMO.

No real problem bar the parking.

If the HMO is regulated and has adequate parking for 1.5 x no. flats then fine.

If it has a single parking space then there should only be 1 parking permit.

 

 

 

These are the problems that are created by treating houses as financial assets rather than homes.  The last people who should be protected from the consequences of that choice are home owners.  

You can’t have your house double in value due to government policy, and then not live next door to HMOs and BTL slums.   You can’t expect young people to pay their life’s earnings for your three bed semi and yet not be expected to pay for your care fees from your new source of wealth. 

Either houses are treasure or they are homes, you can’t have your cake and eat it. 

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Houses should not, and never be HMO's. They were not designed for this, that's what flats are for.

All it does is force people into less and less acceptable living arrangements. If more hmo's are needed, then build more flats, not convert houses down to the lowest possible denominator.

If 6 people want to band together and rent a house, great. They will be paying far less doing it this way than renting a crappy room with no lounge they can socialise in etc.

All HMO's allow is a landlord to cream more rent for less.

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37 minutes ago, BorrowToLeech said:

These are the problems that are created by treating houses as financial assets rather than homes.  The last people who should be protected from the consequences of that choice are home owners.  

You can’t have your house double in value due to government policy, and then not live next door to HMOs and BTL slums.   You can’t expect young people to pay their life’s earnings for your three bed semi and yet not be expected to pay for your care fees from your new source of wealth. 

Either houses are treasure or they are homes, you can’t have your cake and eat it. 

This. Mass HMOs are a symptom of generational inequality.

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But, but, but, I saw an article in The Guardian that said young adults in well paid full employment enjoy living in houseshares like unwaged students, that it was the new trendy lifestyle choice of a more socialistic generation. 

Was I misled?

 

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Well, good for the Beechley Road Residents’ Association.

I am sure that having six previous HMOs on their street that they are now fully aware of any problems that these bring.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, frankief said:

Well, good for the Beechley Road Residents’ Association.

I am sure that having six previous HMOs on their street that they are now fully aware of any problems that these bring.

 

 

Maybe they’ll start campaigning for a reduction in house prices then, so people don’t rely on hmo’s. 

Edit: when did we start calling slum housing ‘HMO’?

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1 hour ago, honkydonkey said:

Houses should not, and never be HMO's. They were not designed for this, that's what flats are for.

If there were enough flats in Wrexham at a cheap rent there would be very little demand for 7 bedroom HMOs. The reason there are already 6 HMOs on the street and one more in planning is because there is demand.

If the council fails to get enough flats built and then also refuses HMOs where are people supposed to live exactly? But the councillors don't care, not my problem guv, except actually it is supposed to be their problem and they are failing to solve it.

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40 minutes ago, adarmo said:

I must admit I would not be over the moon with one being built next door to me

Me neither, but I don’t see this as being contradictory.

I don’t want to live next to, or in, slum housing but that’s why I advocate fixing the housing market instead of just moving homeless people along so they don’t sully the view.

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2 hours ago, adarmo said:

I must admit I would not be over the moon with one being built next door to me

At this point I think conversion of houses to HMOs is a necessary evil. People must have somewhere to live. Waiting 20 years for the NIMBYs to die off and then building the stock that should already be there now is not an appropriate response to people's immediate need for shelter. When the housing stock is in a better state in 30 years' time those HMOs can be converted back to family homes.

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I have lived in three south Cambridgeshire villages in the last decade and  so know the full extent of the hypocrisy of the modern day NIMBY. These scumbags who protest at anything that could possibly effect their lives within 10 miles of their sheltered pampered little lives are the same people who act like parasites in what were once average working housing areas in the bigger towns and cities in the form of BTL. They have destroyed these communities in ways that are ten fold worse than they would ever put up with in their vicar of Dibley illusional lifestyles, I f****g hate them

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In the op title I drew attention to the fact the NIMBYs are complaining their house prices are falling 

I'm wondering if house prices are falling around there anyway, and this has nothing to do with HMOs like they suggest....?

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HMO s are an inevitable consequence of the policies I very much expect these nimbys have supported over recent decades. Every comfortably  housed nimby should have a run down HMO with inadequate parking next door.

This story is outrageous and things may turn ugly if we carryon along this trajectory.

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28 minutes ago, Wayward said:

 

This story is outrageous and things may turn ugly if we carryon along this trajectory.

I think that's a given now

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6 hours ago, adarmo said:

The sweet irony is that the more the boomer NIMBY effwitts protest the more likely the bedsits are to be developed. The bedsits are not a response to an abundant supply of affordable housing but the lack of it and the harder these gits push to stop anything being built the greater the pressure to build bedsits and convert houses to HMO will be.

Caveat other reasons for high house prices are available.

I must admit I would not be over the moon with one being built next door to me, but then again I didn't object to the planning application for 2,500 houses in my town either. Development is gonna happen and it's best to not object to stuff you think (with a rational non boomer mindset) is OK.

HMOs are not built, just badly converted.

Im ok with having a pop at nimbys over not allowing new buildings.

Im less ok about objecting to them objecting to HMOs.

Whatever the problem us, letting a slumlord put a bit of chalkboard in the middle of a living room and moving in 10 lha tenants is not the answer.

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23 minutes ago, spyguy said:

 

Whatever the problem us, letting a slumlord put a bit of chalkboard in the middle of a living room and moving in 10 lha tenants is not the answer.

If it p1sses off a few gammons then I find it hard to diss ;)

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