chronyx Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 hours ago, nome said: Well I know of someone on higher rate PIP for ''social anxiety'' and ''depression''... who's had 4 lads holidays already this year in Magaluf or Ibiza. I imagine a fair chunk of their benefits aren't getting ploughed back in to the British economy. And tax credit top ups ending up in Poland and Romania. It's ok though because reasons and economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 The Tories should have been thinking about "lowering property prices" back in 2010, but no, the b4stards stoked the bonfire and now it's destroyed the bleeding country. There is no way back for the Tories now imo. In fact, after this Brexit nonsense, I can see the party collapsing completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Modern monetary theory is the third rail of politics. There are so many action groups trying to address all the symptoms of privatised money creation. People are ignorant and deserve to be debt slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
“Nasty Piece of work” Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Social Justice League said: In fact, after this Brexit nonsense, I can see the party collapsing completely. I can't see them getting that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnconventionalWisdom Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 19 hours ago, maverick73 said: 95% of all benefits received, is ploughed back into the British economy. I have zero interest in who receives what benefit. Do you have a source for this? I often state to people that they should be more concerned with landlord screwing over renters and banks inflating House prices as having a negative effect on the economy than people having benefits. It would be nice to have something quantitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick73 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 22 hours ago, chronyx said: Can I have all your stuff then please Cheers (Don't worry it'll be going into the economeh) Nope. If your short on dosh, get a job ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick73 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 21 hours ago, Arpeggio said: Benefits have no other argument for them other than that they are for those who need and deserve them. Part of a social contract determined by the kind of society we want to live in, in which those who falls on hard times / lose their job have a safety net. Justifying them as some kind of economic power source is stretching it. Not really, once benefits are received, they are spent on items deemed as required to survive, hence the flow of money incurs, that the money is returned into the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick73 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 15 hours ago, nome said: Well I know of someone on higher rate PIP for ''social anxiety'' and ''depression''... who's had 4 lads holidays already this year in Magaluf or Ibiza. I imagine a fair chunk of their benefits aren't getting ploughed back in to the British economy. If so, either report it or accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronyx Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just now, maverick73 said: Nope. If your short on dosh, get a job ? Got one, but after my involuntary 'economy contribution' (Or as some call it, tax), there's not as much left my voluntary 'economy contribution''. Quote Not really, once benefits are received, they are spent on items deemed as required to survive, hence the flow of money incurs, that the money is returned into the economy. I have a hunch this is subject to the same evaluation as the nonsense that is 'trickle down economics' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick73 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 hours ago, dom said: The argument about state benefits and who receives them is trivial compared to the absurd benefits granted to the banking industry. I do wonder if a cleaner system would have evolved had they not been bailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick73 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, chronyx said: Got one, but after my involuntary 'economy contribution' (Or as some call it, tax), there's not as much left my voluntary 'economy contribution''. I have a hunch this is subject to the same evaluation as the nonsense that is 'trickle down economics' Get a second job then. Migrants work more than one job, what stops you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronyx Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, maverick73 said: Get a second job then. Migrants work more than one job, what stops you? Sleeping, eating, and other frivolities. No 16 hour weeks for this native single white-tee. Edited August 10, 2018 by chronyx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewig Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, chronyx said: Sleeping, eating, and other frivolities. No 16 hour weeks for this native single white-tee. bit racist / entitled mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronyx Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just now, thewig said: bit racist / entitled mate I do what I can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, maverick73 said: Not really, once benefits are received, they are spent on items deemed as required to survive, hence the flow of money incurs, that the money is returned into the economy. I'm not arguing that they are returned into the economy or that they are needed (which they are). It's just an economic principal in that I am saying they are not an economic catalyst. Money (is supposed to) represent value of labor or goods. When a person gets or gives it for free (whether entitled or not) this representation is reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 20:07, GeneCernan said: As ever, a political party looking at what it needs to do to get re-elected. It's all they ever do, it's all they have ever done. Watch prices skyrocket if anyone is so incredibly stupid as to vote these morons in for another five years. I'm not saying for one moment that Brother Corbyn would be a better choice though, both parties are utterly woeful and British politics is crying out for a new party with a vision. Agree 100%. Both are utter crap. Corbyn hasn't got a CLUE. Total idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Arpeggio said: I'm not arguing that they are returned into the economy or that they are needed (which they are). It's just an economic principal in that I am saying they are not an economic catalyst. Money (is supposed to) represent value of labor or goods. When a person gets or gives it for free (whether entitled or not) this representation is reduced. Totally agree, so the same can be said for rent and dividend collection, or massive wages that some have that doesn't represent value for the rest.....or you could even put active tax avoidance into that category......goes on everywhere, therefore we should look at economic ethical principals in all people all places.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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