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It No Longer Pays To Go To Work

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10 hours ago, longgone said:

"I am not afraid of the Gospel of Christ": interesting choice of website lg.

Personally, I'm not afraid of the books of J K Rowling, but that's another story.

The welfare bit seems to be tacked on the end of that article. Not a good read, imo.

As to the central theme of work not paying, we have seen what such an outcry resulted in here: more welfare and a bigger national debt, thanks to the rise of in-work benefits. A good example is the laughably named "working tax credits" system, which allows some to DOUBLE their income on the back of taxpayers, implying supposed tax rates of less than negative 100%. What kind of 'tax credit' is that?

Another aspect are universal benefits, supposedly deployed to inspire 'social cohesion'. In effect, these are no more than government bribes, designed to garner votes.

And then there are the special interest benefits, like Help-to-Buy, which allow bigger tax-payer-funded interest free loans to those with bigger incomes, aimed at the under 40s, or the laughably named "student loans", aimed at the under 20s, which are not loans at all, since a full three quarters of students will never pay off their debts. Add in nursery costs, free school meals etc, etc.

At the other end of the scale are public sector pensions, estimated to be worth a staggering five times that purchasable privately with the same contributions. And you can add that lot to the State Pension; people up and down the land with what they considered to be large amounts of savings, are finding that the state pension is making up an increasing part of their retirement funding, simply because the state pension is so generous - tho nowhere near as generous as public sector pensions.

Basically those in work are getting a bigger slice of the welfare pie than ever. Pretending JSA and benefits like it are the root cause of the national debt is ignoring the facts.

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The more I study Politics the more I believe that most everything is rooted in Cloward-Piven inspired Marxism and thus designed to fail and cause chaos in order to bring about Universal Income and International Socialism.

For further reading check out this site which delves into the Cloward-Piven a bit more. It is American focused but you get the gist of the theory. I'll share a quoted section below:

"The Cloward/Piven Strategy is named after Columbia University sociologistsRichard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. Their goal is to overthrow capitalism by overwhelming the government bureaucracy with entitlement demands. The created crisis provides the impetus to bring about radical political change.
 
According to Discover the Networks.org:

 

Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation...[Emphasis added.]

 

Making an already weak economy even worse is the intent of the Cloward/Piven Strategy."

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1 hour ago, Renewed Investor said:

The more I study Politics the more I believe that most everything is rooted in Cloward-Piven inspired Marxism and thus designed to fail and cause chaos in order to bring about Universal Income and International Socialism.

For further reading check out this site which delves into the Cloward-Piven a bit more. It is American focused but you get the gist of the theory. I'll share a quoted section below:

"The Cloward/Piven Strategy is named after Columbia University sociologistsRichard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. Their goal is to overthrow capitalism by overwhelming the government bureaucracy with entitlement demands. The created crisis provides the impetus to bring about radical political change.
 
According to Discover the Networks.org:

 

Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation...[Emphasis added.]

 

Making an already weak economy even worse is the intent of the Cloward/Piven Strategy."

won`t work. 

stick a crying single mum on tax credits on the telly and you can forget all that 

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47 minutes ago, longgone said:

won`t work. 

stick a crying single mum on tax credits on the telly and you can forget all that 

The second half of my quoted post is the latter part of the strategy though, at that point the government debt is so high, so much private business has been destroyed, and the currency has become so worthless that the Government gives up on trying to provide services and implodes. At this point the former welfare activists then become militaristic and lead the rioting masses to seek revenge, eliminating those labeled responsible for the collapse (the Bourgeois) by these activists. This then creates a power vacuum to which an International body can be formed under Socialism.

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3 hours ago, longgone said:

won`t work. 

stick a crying single mum on tax credits on the telly and you can forget all that 

the way I see it, you don't need a 'revolution' in state benefits (ie movement to national income) when you have the creep of tax credits: these in-work benefits and out-of-work benefits constitute an effective  national income in any case. The only people who aren't on the take are those stupid enough to be satisfied with the independent wealth they already have - and government is doing its best to destroy these people because independent wealth implies independent thought: v dangerous!

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On 05/07/2018 at 11:09, Sledgehead said:

"I am not afraid of the Gospel of Christ": interesting choice of website lg.

Time to visit Specsavers mate 😄

Or maybe a shrink 😅

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On 05/07/2018 at 19:11, Sledgehead said:

the way I see it, you don't need a 'revolution' in state benefits (ie movement to national income) when you have the creep of tax credits: these in-work benefits and out-of-work benefits constitute an effective  national income in any case. The only people who aren't on the take are those stupid enough to be satisfied with the independent wealth they already have - and government is doing its best to destroy these people because independent wealth implies independent thought: v dangerous!

if you are being paid handsomely for free who needs independent thought.  in reality the mugs working with no state handouts are losing.

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Should it not be......How much do you need to live, then can work out what job is required to live?

Some may not need to work at all........some might require a massive income just to stand still.;)

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4 hours ago, winkie said:

Should it not be......How much do you need to live, then can work out what job is required to live?

Some may not need to work at all........some might require a massive income just to stand still.;)

no dependents not much really once housing is out of the equation.   we are told we must be better and richer by the year though. 

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