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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-housing-crisis-theresa-may-policy-challenge-young-voters-support-a8400766.html

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At a meeting pencilled in for Wednesday, 10 Conservative MPs will present ideas including: paying council tax instead of small business rates on second homes rented out as holiday homes; a new “rent to buy” scheme; and a self-build initiative.

Basically, not very radical and more of the same.

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I will believe Tory MPs are serious about making housing cheaper when they start demanding the abolition of Help to Buy. Until then they can take their growing panic about losing their seats deeply held concern for the younger generation and shove it.

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37 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

I will believe Tory MPs are serious about making housing cheaper when they start demanding the abolition of Help to Buy. Until then they can take their growing panic about losing their seats deeply held concern for the younger generation and shove it.

They've decided to start hosing money into the NHS just as the boomers are going to need it in their last years. Paid for by taxing later generations more. Who'd have guessed this might happen.

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3 hours ago, Si1 said:

They've decided to start hosing money into the NHS just as the boomers are going to need it in their last years. Paid for by taxing later generations more. Who'd have guessed this might happen.

There's a perfectly intergenerationally fair way of raising more money for the NHS and care for the elderly: just tax the income of people over retirement age at the same rate the rest of us are paying (i.e. income tax + NI). I can see zero reason why a pensioner on £25k pa (who very likely has a paid off house and is perfectly comfortable) pays less income tax + NI than a 20something on £25k who is swimming against the tide when it comes to housing, student debt, falling real wages, crummy defined contribution pension etc. The idea that the latter should now be taxed even more heavily to provide more services to the former is just disgusting.

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Tory MP's challenge Theresa May to adopt more cunning mind control methods to convince young voters to sell their soul at any cost to get on the housing ladder while at the same time thanking the Tories for the opportunity even though they did nothing.

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1 hour ago, zugzwang said:

But we already know what the Tory boys intend to do for young people.

 

why aren't they at school?

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12 minutes ago, stoobs said:

Why do they describe 10 MPs as 'almost a dozen'? Bizarre.

Journo speak, they can only say ten once I imagine. If it was eleven they’d probably have gone for “more than ten”

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I've said it before but the Tories need to announce some big, big changes in the very near future (this year really) or they will lose a generation. I helped my local MP with delivering leaflets in 2010 as I just wanted to see the back of Gordon Brown et al. I am naturally a Tory/free marketeer but I won't be voting for them again if they continue to fiddle around the edges. They really need to drive a truck through this problem. Throw everything but the kitchen sink at it, and urgently. I firmly believe it is at the heart of many of the problems experienced by under 40s today.

And I think May has to go. She is totally out of touch. My choice to replace her would be Ruth Davidson.

 

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4 hours ago, oatbake said:

I've said it before but the Tories need to announce some big, big changes in the very near future (this year really) or they will lose a generation. I helped my local MP with delivering leaflets in 2010 as I just wanted to see the back of Gordon Brown et al. I am naturally a Tory/free marketeer but I won't be voting for them again if they continue to fiddle around the edges. They really need to drive a truck through this problem. Throw everything but the kitchen sink at it, and urgently. I firmly believe it is at the heart of many of the problems experienced by under 40s today.

And I think May has to go. She is totally out of touch. My choice to replace her would be Ruth Davidson.

 

 

+1 to this, except to observe that core home counties and middle England Tory voters will never support a kickboxing northern lesbian.

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No Tory policy has this far made housing more affordable, they're not going to start now. Besides, this forum should be well aware by now that the huge HPI on the 00s and since 08 hasn't been localised to the UK. So in order to understand it we need to look further than our local biases (muh immigrants) and understand what is happening on a global level. Hint: World-wide low interest rates, world-wide QE, financialisation of housing, immense growth in global wealth chasing yields, and so on. I don't see many of these things changing in the future.

2 hours ago, Si1 said:

My choice to replace her would be Ruth Davidson.

Please no. Put a sodding brexiter in charge of the mess they created so people can get a very clear picture if they are really correct or just massive liars (it's the latter). We can't move forward until we own the consequences of the decision. At the moment the fudge is just pissing off everyone.

edit: quoted incorrect person, it was @oatbake

 

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17 hours ago, Dorkins said:

There's a perfectly intergenerationally fair way of raising more money for the NHS and care for the elderly: just tax the income of people over retirement age at the same rate the rest of us are paying (i.e. income tax + NI). I can see zero reason why a pensioner on £25k pa (who very likely has a paid off house and is perfectly comfortable) pays less income tax + NI than a 20something on £25k who is swimming against the tide when it comes to housing, student debt, falling real wages, crummy defined contribution pension etc. The idea that the latter should now be taxed even more heavily to provide more services to the former is just disgusting.

That will only be possible if all parties support it.  Otherwise the Government (Labour or Tory) that did it would just lose votes.

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16 hours ago, zugzwang said:

But we already know what the Tory boys intend to do for young people.

 

And Labour and Lib Dems!  In fact in some places houses are cheaper than 10 years ago, something Blair and Brown could never say!

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13 hours ago, oatbake said:

And I think May has to go. She is totally out of touch. My choice to replace her would be Ruth Davidson.

Is there a meaningful difference between Davidson and May?

In the Conservative leadership contest triggered by the resignation of Prime Minister David Cameron, Davidson gave her backing to Home Secretary Theresa May to succeed him as Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister, describing May as a "proper grown up [who is] best placed to navigate the stormy waters ahead".

Ruth Davidson backs Theresa May to become next prime minister". The Herald. Herald & Times Group. 7 July 2016. Archived from the original on 17 August 2016. Retrieved 7 July 2016.

 

Oh dear

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17 minutes ago, Kosmin said:

Is there a meaningful difference between Davidson and May?

Oh dear

At least 20 years, for a start. The problem is that Theresa May promised so much and has completely failed to deliver. 

Need somebody different to shake things up a bit and bring the Tory party kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I get that she wasn't a Brexiteer and would share your concerns there but, for me at least, ticks all of the other boxes.

Another option would be Andrea Leadsom (I preferred her to Theresa May from the beginning); both a Brexiteer and she seems to actually understated people's concerns. Ex-investment banker though I think? 

BoJo is an outsider, who would be good also but could be electoral marmite...

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13 hours ago, oatbake said:

And I think May has to go. She is totally out of touch. My choice to replace her would be Ruth Davidson.

 

If that's your choice I have some magic beans you might want to buy.

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6 minutes ago, oatbake said:

At least 20 years, for a start. The problem is that Theresa May promised so much and has completely failed to deliver. 

Need somebody different to shake things up a bit and bring the Tory party kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I get that she wasn't a Brexiteer and would share your concerns there but, for me at least, ticks all of the other boxes.

Another option would be Andrea Leadsom (I preferred her to Theresa May from the beginning); both a Brexiteer and she seems to actually understated people's concerns. Ex-investment banker though I think? 

BoJo is an outsider, who would be good also but could be electoral marmite...

The fact she isn't a Brexiteer is arguably a plus, but I'm just not sure what else she's got going for her.

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2 minutes ago, oatbake said:

Another option would be Andrea Leadsom (I preferred her to Theresa May from the beginning); both a Brexiteer and she seems to actually understated people's concerns. Ex-investment banker though I think? 

Leadsom is a former banker with a million pound BTL portfolio. She was in charge of Help to Buy when she was at the Treasury and her BTL portfolio was for a period moved into an offshore company structure https://www.lettingagenttoday.co.uk/537-help-to-buy-minister-in-offshore-btl-row

None of this looks like somebody who would tear down the various injustices present in the UK land ownership system.

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4 minutes ago, Kosmin said:

The fact she isn't a Brexiteer is arguably a plus, but I'm just not sure what else she's got going for her.

Davidson seems like just another David Cameron, a nice shiny youthful package with no substance inside. She went from university to journalism to SPAD in the Scottish Parliament to being elected. In terms of politics she's socially liberal and, er, that's about it.

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