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Tommy Robinson Otherwise Engaged

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Can't see this elsewhere, but redirect if there is a thread. This is not about a certain religion, and I am being very careful not to mention anything about something that is not allowed to be discussed by the media in the UK. However, since I am in Canada and it has been on the news this side of the Atlantic, I suspect that Tommy's new living arrangements courtesy of the new Home secretary, combined with recent attempts by TM and the establishment to introduce BINO will send many over the edge. Been thousands protesting in London at Whitehall the past few days...again not reported as it would require referring to what they are protesting about. Most people are completely clueless about it, but word is spreading.

I believe the establishment has gone too far this time, and any illusion that remained that the UK is a country where the authorities/establishment respect democracy and free speech has finally been shredded. I suspect things will get ugly before long as there are already half a million signatures on the free Tommy Robinson petition on change.org, and that was in about 3 days.

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16 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

So the jail bird tried to destroy a court case and has his suspended sentence (for the same crime) enacted.

Boo Hoo.

Or he tried to break the news blackout on such cases? Compare to the media frenzy over e.g. Rolf Harris.Or Cliff Richard before plod even raided his house.

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54 minutes ago, newbonic said:

break the news blackout

It wasn't a news event, it was an ongoing court case.

The difference is a jail sentence.

Serves him right for trying to stop the trial and get the defendants off the charges.

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9 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

Serves him right for trying to stop the trial and get the defendants off the charges.

It's unlikely that he was trying to get anybody off a charge.

Robinson is known for bringing attention to certain types of crimes by certain ethnoreligious groups. It seems that the Crown Prosecution Service were worried he might prejudice a fair trial so they've shut him down.

The bizarre and totally unfair 'breach of the peace' arrest has upset his supporters but maybe the CPS were just trying to shut him down with as little publicity as possible to protect the trial from allegations of prejudice.

If I'm right, Robinson made a mistake and has been silenced by methods that we'll probably hear more about when the trial has finished and there's no legal risk to commentators.

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1 hour ago, Quiet Guy said:

If I'm right, Robinson made a mistake and has been silenced by methods that we'll probably hear more about when the trial has finished and there's no legal risk to commentators.

I've just come across this:
http://raedwald.blogspot.com/2018/05/tommy-robinson-jailed-rightly.html

Raedwald is no establishment stooge but also seems to think Robinson possibly went awry.

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18 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

It wasn't a news event, it was an ongoing court case.

The difference is a jail sentence.

Serves him right for trying to stop the trial and get the defendants off the charges.

:lol:

You really have the wrong end of the stick with that one. 

4 hours ago, The Crow said:

Have a look at some of the wording used. Whoever this person is they are providing far from a neutral view on the situation.

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17 hours ago, The Crow said:

This doesn't really deal with the crux of the issue - seems pretty obvious to me that the secret barrister wrote this because he is letting his hatred of Tommy and his supporters override the real question.

In general, as far as I can tell, there are many intelligent people leaping to Tommy's defence, not because they like him or his ideas, but because he should have the right to free speech - mainly so that others can put a counter-argument to the same audience.

Specifically, the issue is about the risks of trial-by-media. Other countries do not have these laws. If you happen to think they are bad laws then you would be angry that Tommy was arrested.

Why doesn’t the secret barrister debate how different countries deal with the media and court cases?

 

 

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I note with some cynicism the comparison between the vigour and speed that TR was arrested, tried, and imprisoned (and a gagging order applied to reporting it) with the fact that e.g. of the thousands of documented cases of FGM that have been treated in the NHS, there hasn't been a single prosecution. And there's zero political will to implement the law in such cases. 

I'll await with interest the details of the TR case when they're in the public domain. 

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On 30/05/2018 at 22:43, Quiet Guy said:

It's unlikely that he was trying to get anybody off a charge.

Difficult to known what his other motivations are.

The reality is his actions would break the trial and he was already on a suspended sentence so knew the law and  the guilty plea confirms it.

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13 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

Difficult to known what his other motivations are.

See ccc's comment.

Robinson has been reporting through social media upon a certain type of crime for years. Anybody familiar with his activities has a pretty good idea what his message was.

13 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

The reality is his actions would break the trial and he was already on a suspended sentence so knew the law and  the guilty plea confirms it.

He screwed up and admitted it when confronted by CPS.

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On ‎31‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 16:22, newbonic said:

I note with some cynicism the comparison between the vigour and speed that TR was arrested, tried, and imprisoned (and a gagging order applied to reporting it) with the fact that e.g. of the thousands of documented cases of FGM that have been treated in the NHS, there hasn't been a single prosecution. And there's zero political will to implement the law in such cases. 

I'll await with interest the details of the TR case when they're in the public domain. 

 

A poster on letsrun.com (presumably from the USA) notes:

"He's a repeat offender. It's pity the UK doesn't have a three strikes and your out rule as he would be facing a life sentence.

1) Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton.

2) Robinson was arrested again after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets in September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration.

3) On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.

4) On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest on the rooftop of the FIFA headquarters in Zürich against FIFA's ruling that the England national football team could not wear a Remembrance poppy symbol on their shirts. For this he was fined £3,000 and jailed for three days.

5) In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally and was sentenced to 10 months' imprisonment.

6) In November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation in relation to a mortgage application. He pleaded guilty to two charges and in January 2014 was sentenced to 18 months imprisononment.

7) In May 2017, Robinson was convicted of contempt of court for using a camera inside Canterbury Crown Court

8) Robinson was involved in a fight at Royal Ascot in June 2017.

But hey, he's really a good guy at heart and is just misunderstood."

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24 minutes ago, Kosmin said:

 

A poster on letsrun.com (presumably from the USA) notes:

"He's a repeat offender. It's pity the UK doesn't have a three strikes and your out rule as he would be facing a life sentence.

1) Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton.

2) Robinson was arrested again after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets in September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration.

3) On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.

4) On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest on the rooftop of the FIFA headquarters in Zürich against FIFA's ruling that the England national football team could not wear a Remembrance poppy symbol on their shirts. For this he was fined £3,000 and jailed for three days.

5) In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally and was sentenced to 10 months' imprisonment.

6) In November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation in relation to a mortgage application. He pleaded guilty to two charges and in January 2014 was sentenced to 18 months imprisononment.

7) In May 2017, Robinson was convicted of contempt of court for using a camera inside Canterbury Crown Court

8) Robinson was involved in a fight at Royal Ascot in June 2017.

But hey, he's really a good guy at heart and is just misunderstood."

He is no angel - but at least he has been reporting on things that the MSM have not been - but should have.

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19 hours ago, ccc said:

He is no angel - but at least he has been reporting on things that the MSM have not been - but should have.

Utterly clueless as ever..

 

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22 hours ago, Kosmin said:

 

A poster on letsrun.com (presumably from the USA) notes:

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3) On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.

"fellow member"? Not so much. See URL below.

2 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

Utterly clueless as ever..

Some more clueless commentary:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/tommy-robinson-grooming-gangs-britain-persecutes-journalist/

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2 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

Utterly clueless as ever..

 

What is clueless ? Even in places like Rotherham the local councils have since admitted they didn't look into these things as they should have because of fear of being called 'racist'.

Have you actually read anything about what has been going on in this country with these gangs for decades ? Its an eye opener - that's for sure.

Do you think the coverage of these horrendous crimes on an industrial scale all over this country for decades has had the coverage in the MSM it deserves ? I certainly do not.

But its ok - when we have a story of an 80 year old celebrity accused of grabbing a girls backside in a BBC corridor sometime in 1964 - we get running commentary !! Phew. These events are clearly far more important...

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20 hours ago, ccc said:

What is clueless ? 

You. This is NOTHING to do with the court case because that is under a court order until it's finished and the judge releases it.

He isn't a reporter, he's a criminal attempting to destroy a court case. Real journalists will report on the case when it's prudent to do so.

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