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I am one of them.

I think Corbyn will be a disaster, Off the top of my head I cannot think of one Labour politician when I see them on TV I stop and listen to what they say, I cannot think of one that I even like. It's too late as far as I am concerned to convince the present Tories that they just are doing nothing for average or even above average workers under 40, and what I find even more annoying is them trying to con me that they are.

No, it's a scorched earth policy as far as I am concerned until I can be convinced that hard work and success does pay.

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That article critises the Tories dreadful Help to Buy. The help to bail banks and profit builders scheme was receiving some bad press pre-election but then Labour put an extension to it, in their manifesto. That gave the Tories all they needed to extend it themselves.

It doesn't matter what colour tie they wear, the system is rancid.

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Yeah, they might not want to vote Labour, but they definitely aren't voting tory. Not sure it will change much though, as I guess most heavily OO places are heavily tory. More renters in the cities will just mean greater gains for Labour in those areas. Increased polarisation, as with society in general

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7 minutes ago, Democorruptcy said:

 

It doesn't matter what colour tie they wear, the system is rancid.

Too right - you might like this little poem by Hilaire Belloc (1870-1953).  Plus ca change, and all that...

On A General Election

'The accursed power which stands on Privilege

(And goes with Women, and Champagne, and Bridge)

Broke - and Democracy resumed her reign;

(Which goes with Bridge, and Women and Champagne).' 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Trump Invective said:

Yeah, they might not want to vote Labour, but they definitely aren't voting tory.

That's the problem in a nutshell right now. I am a lifelong Labout voter but even I don't want a Corbyn govt - although he did get my vote. There is a gaping chasm between the current Tory and Labour parties and Libdems aren't filling it. I can't help but think that if Clegg hadn't ******ed up so spectacularly this could actually have been their moment in the sun. But seriously, where have all the (vaguely) charismatic politicians with something to say gone? There is nothing there. 

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6 minutes ago, mattyboy1973 said:

That's the problem in a nutshell right now. I am a lifelong Labout voter but even I don't want a Corbyn govt - although he did get my vote. There is a gaping chasm between the current Tory and Labour parties and Libdems aren't filling it. I can't help but think that if Clegg hadn't ******ed up so spectacularly this could actually have been their moment in the sun. But seriously, where have all the (vaguely) charismatic politicians with something to say gone? There is nothing there. 

Room for a Third Way Party?

Backed by Tony Bliar et al but David Milliband as the figurehead.

It wouldn't help.

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I think we will inevitably see a Labour party split before too long. Problem is, it will split the left just as the SDP did. Depending on how Brexit plays out, maybe we'll see the same thing happen on the right. Who knows?

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2 hours ago, inbruges said:

No, it's a scorched earth policy as far as I am concerned until I can be convinced that hard work and success does pay.

Exactly my feelings. I'm just want to burn it all.  Hard work isn't rewarded, it's farmed.

Corbyn's view of politics is great for bumper stickers but won't work.  The reason (forgotten by many) for NuLabour was to show Labour could use power without reverting to 'socialist' policies.  PFI, low interest rates, tax relief for BTL were all sops to the elite to keep them on side.  The pain of HPI wasn't so much due to incompetence of NuLabour (although it cant be avoided), but the price paid by the UK to avoid the wailing from the Daily Mail brigade.

 

The tories, long long ago, represented new money - earned form enterprise opposed to the landed gentry taking rents.  Now they are the establishment, perhaps it is time for a new 'Enterprise' party.

 

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For the complete demise of the tory party, I want them to remain in power. I want them to see through Brexit (even though it wont actually happen - the effect will be too dramatic on the party that implements it), to see through the impending downturn, to be there as the plates stop spinning. Patience is required. If Labour take over in the near future, they will take the hit. Possibly they will cause the plates to stop spinning faster, I'm not sure. But the tories deserve to reap the results of recent policy (though of course its actually the everyday folk who really reap the "rewards").

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The thing is, what have the Tories actually done that is really "old Conservative"/ that differentiates themselves from Labour? Immigration under the Tories has been higher than under nuLabour with no plans to reduce it, even after Brexit, they have done a fake job on the welfare bill to look tough but actually very little has changed, they have built no new homes whilst encouraging HTB, BTL and RTB on steroids, the super rich have been allowed to get richer whilst the middle classes are being impoverished, they have kept interest rates low to help the indebted and big business whislt screwing over savers. Not very Conservative. A mix of the worst aspects of neo-Liberalism, so most renters really nothing much to lose by voting Corbyn and Labour.

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1 hour ago, mattyboy1973 said:

That's the problem in a nutshell right now. I am a lifelong Labout voter but even I don't want a Corbyn govt - although he did get my vote. There is a gaping chasm between the current Tory and Labour parties and Libdems aren't filling it. I can't help but think that if Clegg hadn't ******ed up so spectacularly this could actually have been their moment in the sun. But seriously, where have all the (vaguely) charismatic politicians with something to say gone? There is nothing there. 

how can anyone be a lifelong anyone voter? does that mean you vote for a colour because that's the colour you vote for? enlighten me on this one cos I aint following your particular line of... REASONING here pal

 

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17 minutes ago, thewig said:

how can anyone be a lifelong anyone voter? does that mean you vote for a colour because that's the colour you vote for? enlighten me on this one cos I aint following your particular line of... REASONING here pal

 

There isn't any, I admit it.

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3 minutes ago, mattyboy1973 said:

There isn't any, I admit it.

haha fair enough - takes me back to my accountancy days, why the F*CK did I do that again? ah right its because that's what I did last month 😄

 

apologies to any accountants/would be accountants reading (you boring soulless b*stards) 🧐

 

 

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31 minutes ago, thewig said:

apologies to any accountants/would be accountants reading (you boring soulless b*stards) 🧐

 

 

Hey, cut the boring out!😇

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45 minutes ago, thewig said:

haha fair enough - takes me back to my accountancy days, why the F*CK did I do that again? ah right its because that's what I did last month 😄

 

apologies to any accountants/would be accountants reading (you boring soulless b*stards) 🧐

 

 

Actuaries -  a career for those who found accountancy too exciting

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44 minutes ago, Funn3r said:

😂glad you're here thewig

you do know theres an 'o' in accountancy right? unless its those paper shredding guys from the past (andersons) or any of the big(current) audit firms.

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3 hours ago, Trump Invective said:

For the complete demise of the tory party, I want them to remain in power. I want them to see through Brexit (even though it wont actually happen - the effect will be too dramatic on the party that implements it), to see through the impending downturn, to be there as the plates stop spinning. Patience is required. If Labour take over in the near future, they will take the hit. Possibly they will cause the plates to stop spinning faster, I'm not sure. But the tories deserve to reap the results of recent policy (though of course its actually the everyday folk who really reap the "rewards").

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5 hours ago, inbruges said:

No, it's a scorched earth policy as far as I am concerned until I can be convinced that hard work and success does pay.

Of course your hard work and success pays. Just not you.

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