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7 hours ago, spyguy said:

Not really.

For the education., Nurses are extremelely well paid. chuck i nthe pension and its lucrative.

Dont need more Nurses - we need to be keeping less people in hospital.

Pay was only a factor in 1/7th of Nurses leaving. Trust me, a Nurse (or a teacher, or a copper) cannot earn anywhere close to what they are on poutside of pubic sector.

Most Nurses leave as they get fed up with the NHS. If the NHS was broken up, monopoly destroyed than there would be the option to work elswhere as a Nurse.

 

I was going to read this thread and got to this post.... Pray tell what highly importyant job do you do ? and what are the demanding educational requirements ?

You also appear to be rather misinformed about the "lucrative" pension...

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57 minutes ago, irrationalactor said:

I'd argue that debating whether nurses get paid enough or not is a bit of a red herring.  I wouldn't be a nurse on twice what they get paid - it's a very hard job.

But this pay deal is a massive signal that the government has decided to go for as much inflation as they can get away with.  There have been other indications of this recently.  That's one way to deal with the unsustainable debts.

But it's the final kick in the teeth for anyone who has diligently spent the decade since the crisis actually working, living within their means, and saving towards a deposit.  We can look forward to having our work finally made utterly worthless if wage inflation kicks off.

The scum in charge hate the idea that anyone could actually benefit from their own work.  They won't rest until everyone but their mates is a brainwashed indentured servant sitting in their mortgaged prison cell feeling smug about the 'wealth' that has trapped them.

I guess I should have bought gold.  Or a house.  Or jetted off to New York to party twice a year.

I was naive to think they'd allow any other outcome.

Point to the chart as to when you would have bought gold ?

 

Chance are, you'd have already missed out.

 

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2 minutes ago, headmelter said:

I was going to read this thread and got to this post.... Pray tell what highly importyant job do you do ? and what are the demanding educational requirements ?

You also appear to be rather misinformed about the "lucrative" pension...

The current pension is 1/54th for every year. Pays out at from the age of 70 iirc. My partner has to contribute 9.3% of her salary. Although not as good as it used to be, from my limited knowledge on pensions, it still seems better than what most can get in the private sector. 

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6 hours ago, spyguy said:

Seirously, fpr the investment in eucation, which really does not need a degree, Nursing is lucrative.

Well talk about omnipotence.... You must be very special...

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1 hour ago, papag said:

Wife got a bill of £90 today for a check up, the dentist insisted she then saw the hygienist who cleaned her teeth and polished them in what she called a double session. It seems common practice now that this happens, where before the dentist did the check up and clean the hygienist charge is not on the NHS so everyone now pays even our friends from abroad . 

 

It’s quite good value. Keep your teeth clean and the chances of having to have root treatment, an extraction or an implant (3k plus) are greatly reduced.

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Fair enough about the lower ones being 30%...

But isn't 6% over 3 years actually WAY below current inflation levels?

The percentage inflation figures actually compound yearly, so even if the BOE has hit its target of 2% perfectly... its not going to be

2 + 2 + 2 for the 3 years, it would be higher than 6%...

And we all know how well those targets are being met, even on official figures (before we go into cost of essentials etc)

 

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7 minutes ago, headmelter said:

I was going to read this thread and got to this post.... Pray tell what highly importyant job do you do ? and what are the demanding educational requirements ?

You also appear to be rather misinformed about the "lucrative" pension...

The deal - salary ~39k, pension and work hours/flexitime - are lucrative.

My Nurse friend would have to be paying ~30% of her salary to get he same deal in a DC pension.

As far as education, shes a failed O level Maths and 3 years at college, predating the pointless degree requirement.

I had to spend some time as her health trust was moving out of the NHS and she had to pass a basic - and I mean basic- maths test. All part of he move to try and check Nurses numercay, doses and all that.

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6 hours ago, spyguy said:

Just the insane over education.

Nursing should go back to 2 years 16-18 at college, followed by 2-3 year mix of work and training.

Qualify at 21.

UK HE sector needs taking round the corner and shot in the head.

I've decided to go no further... Let's hope with an attitude like that you don't ever get sick...

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8 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

I dont think it's the nurses, it's the porters...need to attract the EEs and Somalians.

The fact remains...public sector workers wages/pensions/T&Cs still much higher than the people forced to pay for them. That is not sustainable

 

Nothing in the UK ponz-economy seems to be sustainable.

No they’re not. I got a substantial rise moving back to the private sector.

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I have to say those that think nurses get paid more than people who work in offices live in a different universe to me. I've worked in offices all my life and my wife is a nurse. She works her nuts off for £25k while I know people who file their nails all day that get paid £30k plus.

She's giving people syringe drivers etc all day in incredibly stressful conditions while I have read all of Wikipedia in 34 languages sitting on my fat harris.

 

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4 minutes ago, spyguy said:

The deal - salary ~39k, pension and work hours/flexitime - are lucrative.

My Nurse friend would have to be paying ~30% of her salary to get he same deal in a DC pension.

As far as education, shes a failed O level Maths and 3 years at college, predating the pointless degree requirement.

I had to spend some time as her health trust was moving out of the NHS and she had to pass a basic - and I mean basic- maths test. All part of he move to try and check Nurses numercay, doses and all that.

OK.... I'm a nurse... Is your friend a nursing 'sister' ?  Because £39k is a salary for experienced specialist nurses if she isn't.

As for the pension... there have been major changes to pension provision & contributions in the last 18 months..

As for the maths she wouldn't be accepted on a nursing course now without it.

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2 minutes ago, headmelter said:

OK.... I'm a nurse... Is your friend a nursing 'sister' ?  Because £39k is a salary for experienced specialist nurses if she isn't.

As for the pension... there have been major changes to pension provision & contributions in the last 18 months..

As for the maths she wouldn't be accepted on a nursing course now without it.

Shes a band 6 or 7.

Ive checked the current Maths - GCSE C, which, to be honest, does not take a lot of effort to pass.

The pensin may have changed. However she started her studying in the late 80s and been qualified ~20 odd years.

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OK - I've done the calculations..  If inflation target is met for 3 years, the actual increase of cost of living at the end of 3 years is 6.1%

If the current rate of 2.6% applies for the 3 years -- its closer to 7%

Either way, this is a pay CUT in real terms.

As for the amazing 30% for the lower bands - remember, they will probably get less low income support as a result. I wouldn't be surprised if the overall effect is a big 0 with less administrative costs for the job centers.

Of course they will dress this up as an amazing deal -- it is certainly not !

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1 minute ago, spyguy said:

And Id add, the NHS is big enough to give you option to progress and earn more without having to leave your job.

This. My partner started as a band 6 (different field to nursing), was a band 7 within 14 months and is just counting down the months now for the minimum 2 years experience at 7 to go for a band 8. The trust she works in love to promote within. You can sit in the bands and countdown annual pay points, but seems fairly easy to move up the bands.

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3 minutes ago, tm_81 said:

OK - I've done the calculations..  If inflation target is met for 3 years, the actual increase of cost of living at the end of 3 years is 6.1%

If the current rate of 2.6% applies for the 3 years -- its closer to 7%

Either way, this is a pay CUT in real terms.

As for the amazing 30% for the lower bands - remember, they will probably get less low income support as a result. I wouldn't be surprised if the overall effect is a big 0 with less administrative costs for the job centers.

Of course they will dress this up as an amazing deal -- it is certainly not !

Do we actually know how the pay increases will work in regards to banding? Although they've only been getting 1% pay increases for the last few years, staff do also move up the banding increments each year.

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2 minutes ago, tm_81 said:

OK - I've done the calculations..  If inflation target is met for 3 years, the actual increase of cost of living at the end of 3 years is 6.1%

If the current rate of 2.6% applies for the 3 years -- its closer to 7%

Either way, this is a pay CUT in real terms.

As for the amazing 30% for the lower bands - remember, they will probably get less low income support as a result. I wouldn't be surprised if the overall effect is a big 0 with less administrative costs for the job centers.

Of course they will dress this up as an amazing deal -- it is certainly not !

Tax,NI and loss of tax credits will be around 74% of any increase.If they also get any housing benefit and council tax benefit 60% of whats left,so 86%.They will be 14p in the £ better off.

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33 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Chance are, you'd have already missed out.

 

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Obviously just one view, but I believe it is going to $10,000 an ounce and higher. I continue to add. In any event, I'd rather have the actual ounces as opposed to paper.

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3 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Shes a band 6 or 7.

Ive checked the current Maths - GCSE C, which, to be honest, does not take a lot of effort to pass.

The pensin may have changed. However she started her studying in the late 80s and been qualified ~20 odd years.

Top Band 6 is £34,500... I can't speak for her but if she completed her training in the late 80's she's unlikely to have a degree unless she did a further course.

Do you need a higher level of maths to enter the majority of other available careers ?

Now you still haven't informed me of the highly important job you do that requires 3rd level education , constant updates which are monitored by a professional body and is practically indispensable by society.

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42 minutes ago, btl_hater said:

It’s quite good value. Keep your teeth clean and the chances of having to have root treatment, an extraction or an implant (3k plus) are greatly reduced.

Cant afford it tho  were having to go to food banks now after the treatment, well after our New York trip then a couple of weeks in Aus :) 

 

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18 minutes ago, headmelter said:

Top Band 6 is £34,500... I can't speak for her but if she completed her training in the late 80's she's unlikely to have a degree unless she did a further course.

Do you need a higher level of maths to enter the majority of other available careers ?

Now you still haven't informed me of the highly important job you do that requires 3rd level education , constant updates which are monitored by a professional body and is practically indispensable by society.

Spy Guy is superfly..

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6 hours ago, Hullabaloo82 said:

Sorry but what the ****** relevance does payroll have to any of this? Sounds like you've just chucked a vaguely "businessy" type word in there and run with it.

Everything.  NHS Medical HR and payroll have EA-levels of incompetence.

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7 minutes ago, PopGun said:

Spy Guy is superfly..

I got that impression.... Superfly & not terribly well informed... I wonder what carreers are open to this sort of indispensible individual.

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