Mrs Bear Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 We thought it was brilliant - Gary Oldman's performance was astonishing. If he doesn't get an Oscar, it will be a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Absolutely right. It was hard to believe that it wasn’t really Churchill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, Bossybabe said: Absolutely right. It was hard to believe that it wasn’t really Churchill. TBH I'm hopeless with actors' names etc.. I knew the name (GO) but couldn't place him. Googled him after we got home and just couldn't believe it. That's a real actor for you! Talk about a tour de force.... I don't think Mr B was mad keen on seeing this one, but he went along with me and was equally bowled over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I’m looking forward to seeing it again when it comes on tv/Amazon, etc. I’m sure there are things I missed while I was dazzled by GO’s performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 6:11 AM, Bossybabe said: I’m looking forward to seeing it again when it comes on tv/Amazon, etc. I’m sure there are things I missed while I was dazzled by GO’s performance. just download it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debtlessmanc Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Seen the trailer looks amazing. Look at the reviews on rottentomatoes. Americans saying that there were 10 min standing ovations at the end of the movie. Meanwhile on YouTube endless posts that he was a vile racist and we should not be celebrating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 24/02/2018 at 7:24 PM, debtlessmanc said: Seen the trailer looks amazing. Look at the reviews on rottentomatoes. Americans saying that there were 10 min standing ovations at the end of the movie. Meanwhile on YouTube endless posts that he was a vile racist and we should not be celebrating him. I don't know about the racism thing but it wouldn't surprise me - it was common enough in his generation, if not the norm. He was from long-past era and IMO it's a bit daft or naive to judge by today's standards. IIRC as a young soldier he took part in the very last cavalry charge, which is about as past-era as you can get for anyone who's still remembered as a living person, by anyone still alive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Mrs Bear said: I don't know about the racism thing but it wouldn't surprise me - it was common enough in his generation, if not the norm. He was from long-past era and IMO it's a bit daft or naive to judge by today's standards. IIRC as a young soldier he took part in the very last cavalry charge, which is about as past-era as you can get for anyone who's still remembered as a living person, by anyone still alive today. They've been censoring "The dam busters" for years on TV, although the grave of Guy Gibson's dog, complete with headstone, is still tended at RAF Scampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Bruce Banner said: They've been censoring "The dam busters" for years on TV, although the grave of Guy Gibson's dog, complete with headstone, is still tended at RAF Scampton. Presumably because the dog was called the N word that rhymes with Bigger? I love the DamBusters March. Very memorably played when we were in a packed Mall on a Jubilee Day, and it was played as a Lancaster flew overhead! (Before the good old Red Arrows). Funnily enough we weren't going to go at all, but a daughter who was there with friends phoned to say what a great atmosphere it was, why were we sitting at home like a couple of boring old farts? So we went and joined her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I seem to be in the minority.... The director couldn't seem to make up his mind on Churchill's physical condition. At some points he seemed to struggle to get out of a bed/chair, at points he was racing around Westminster at a rate that I would find hard to keep up! I also didn't think the phone call to Rooseveldt rung true. It simply wasn't in the man to be the beta male! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlooker Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 50 minutes ago, AThirdWay said: I seem to be in the minority.... The director couldn't seem to make up his mind on Churchill's physical condition. At some points he seemed to struggle to get out of a bed/chair, at points he was racing around Westminster at a rate that I would find hard to keep up! I also didn't think the phone call to Rooseveldt rung true. It simply wasn't in the man to be the beta male! I have read that Churchill was prone to bouts of depression - he nicknamed it his 'Black Dog', when he could be very lethargic. But with a carrier that spanned journalist, historian, soldier, Home Secretary, 1st Sea Lord, Chancellor, Prime Minister, victorious War Leader and frequent political rebel, he must have had periods of intense energy. I have not seen the film yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, onlooker said: I have read that Churchill was prone to bouts of depression - he nicknamed it his 'Black Dog', when he could be very lethargic. But with a carrier that spanned journalist, historian, soldier, Home Secretary, 1st Sea Lord, Chancellor, Prime Minister, victorious War Leader and frequent political rebel, he must have had periods of intense energy. I have not seen the film yet. i downloaded the blu-ray and apart from gary oldmans conversion to WC i would have been bored stiff in the cinema. hype hype hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, longgone said: i downloaded the blu-ray and apart from gary oldmans conversion to WC i would have been bored stiff in the cinema. hype hype hype. Agreed. I can't remember who he was discussing at the time, but his comment that (while on the cludgie) he could only "deal with one $hit at a time" was the highlight of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, AThirdWay said: Agreed. I can't remember who he was discussing at the time, but his comment that (while on the cludgie) he could only "deal with one $hit at a time" was the highlight of the movie. i guess that`s why he was called WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, onlooker said: I have read that Churchill was prone to bouts of depression - he nicknamed it his 'Black Dog', when he could be very lethargic. But with a carrier that spanned journalist, historian, soldier, Home Secretary, 1st Sea Lord, Chancellor, Prime Minister, victorious War Leader and frequent political rebel, he must have had periods of intense energy. I have not seen the film yet. I've managed to get about halfway through Roy Hattersley's biography twice now, and yes, he did suffer from depression it seems, but he wasn't bi-polar. Funnily enough, he was ridiculed during his long stint as MP for Dundee because he was seen being carried around in a sedan chair! I believe he was ill at the time. p.s. He was replaced by Scrimgeour, who stood on a prohibition ticket. You would have thought that was the ultimate slap in the face, but he actually came 4th in that election... a slap for both cheeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerUK Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I was doubtful with the tube train journey. Having spent a goodly portion of my life in London, I know that journey takes a minute or two. The other thing to realise is that most Londoners had no real wish for the war to start with. Conversations I had over the years with those who lived through the war made that clear. To be fair, they all seemed to sing Churchill’s praises for eventually galvanising people to action. So the tube scene seems to have been scripted for the film, not historical accuracy.....so what’s new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 24/02/2018 at 1:57 PM, longgone said: just download it I leave all that to my son... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 27/02/2018 at 4:29 PM, AThirdWay said: I've managed to get about halfway through Roy Hattersley's biography twice now, and yes, he did suffer from depression it seems, but he wasn't bi-polar. Funnily enough, he was ridiculed during his long stint as MP for Dundee because he was seen being carried around in a sedan chair! I believe he was ill at the time. p.s. He was replaced by Scrimgeour, who stood on a prohibition ticket. You would have thought that was the ultimate slap in the face, but he actually came 4th in that election... a slap for both cheeks! You’re much better reading Churchill’s own autobiographies: “My Early Life” and “Their Finest Hour”. Excellent books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bossybabe said: I leave all that to my son... Ah well at least you can use a forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, longgone said: Ah well at least you can use a forum It isn’t about technical skills. I’m just easily bored!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bossybabe said: It isn’t about technical skills. I’m just easily bored!! Film was not that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I still remember my father's reaction of shock and disbelief at the news of Churchill's death. He had been a larger than life figure to that generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Bruce Banner said: I still remember my father's reaction of shock and disbelief at the news of Churchill's death. He had been a larger than life figure to that generation. I remember getting the day off school to watch his state funeral. Reminded me of that other hero,Nelson’s, or Queen Victoria’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Bruce Banner said: I still remember my father's reaction of shock and disbelief at the news of Churchill's death. He had been a larger than life figure to that generation. Mine too. I can just about remember being taken to the lying in state. Also my father (ex RN, N Atlantic convoys) saying, 'He wasn't a man in a million. He was a man in a million years.' Seems so extreme now, to anyone who never had to wonder whether we really were going to end up under the jackboot.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debtlessmanc Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Mrs Bear said: Mine too. I can just about remember being taken to the lying in state. Also my father (ex RN, N Atlantic convoys) saying, 'He wasn't a man in a million. He was a man in a million years.' Seems so extreme now, to anyone who never had to wonder whether we really were going to end up under the jackboot.. none of my older family mentioned churchill, but they all said that Hitler had to be resisted even if it meant the end of the empire even us etc, Churchill articulated that. The German plans for the invasion of Britain included the deportation of all men 20-40 from the UK to concentration camps, just think about that when you view that generations actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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