afly Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just now, Maximus Skepticus said: Go Mark!....seems everyone (comments) wants irrational 'growth', regardless of the consequences......cancer and bacteria 'grow' https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dows-surge-belies-fact-that-stock-market-is-on-the-brink-of-an-absolute-breakdown-2018-03-26 Only until they kill the host Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Skepticus Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Supposedly... yesterday was just short covering vol....lol, no data...supposedly. Makes sense...enjoy the rest of the ride.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Whoops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Skepticus Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, TonyJ said: A bit of a turnaround for the DOW today. Down 1.5%. Up an down, up and own. Well...to be fair, it has mostly been DOWN in the last 6 weeks https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-dow-may-already-be-in-a-bear-market-heres-how-long-it-could-last-2018-03-27  Edited March 27, 2018 by Maximus Skepticus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardratso Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 goodly tank going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Skepticus Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Nikkei Dow not looking too bright....lower highs and lower lows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Slight tangent - but looking at the FTSE All Share if anything it looks UNDERpriced not OVERpriced to me. The All Share Dividend Yield is now around 4%pa - similar to summer of 2009 (i.e. a low not a high). In the "just before a crash" times like 2000 and 2007 it's been down nearer 2%. In other words, right now each £100 of UK shares you buy are paying out annual dividends of around £4, compared to £2 when the market is at peaks. Now obviously, this is not to say the market won't go down, and it certainly isn't financial advice to anyone on these boards - do your own research. But it certainly doesn't to me feel like teetering on the edge of the abyss, even if a few companies cut back their dividends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afly Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Slight tangent - but looking at the FTSE All Share if anything it looks UNDERpriced not OVERpriced to me. The All Share Dividend Yield is now around 4%pa - similar to summer of 2009 (i.e. a low not a high). In the "just before a crash" times like 2000 and 2007 it's been down nearer 2%. In other words, right now each £100 of UK shares you buy are paying out annual dividends of around £4, compared to £2 when the market is at peaks. Now obviously, this is not to say the market won't go down, and it certainly isn't financial advice to anyone on these boards - do your own research. But it certainly doesn't to me feel like teetering on the edge of the abyss, even if a few companies cut back their dividends. A lot of the FTSE looks quite well priced to me. I assumed the clusterfork of brexit has been priced in. I would still expect it to crash hard in a global down trend though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, scottbeard said: Slight tangent - but looking at the FTSE All Share if anything it looks UNDERpriced not OVERpriced to me. The All Share Dividend Yield is now around 4%pa - similar to summer of 2009 (i.e. a low not a high). In the "just before a crash" times like 2000 and 2007 it's been down nearer 2%. In other words, right now each £100 of UK shares you buy are paying out annual dividends of around £4, compared to £2 when the market is at peaks. Now obviously, this is not to say the market won't go down, and it certainly isn't financial advice to anyone on these boards - do your own research. But it certainly doesn't to me feel like teetering on the edge of the abyss, even if a few companies cut back their dividends. I think you need to make an alllowance for divi cover which is lower today than 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wish I could afford one Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 hours ago, scottbeard said: Slight tangent - but looking at the FTSE All Share if anything it looks UNDERpriced not OVERpriced to me. The All Share Dividend Yield is now around 4%pa - similar to summer of 2009 (i.e. a low not a high). In the "just before a crash" times like 2000 and 2007 it's been down nearer 2%. In other words, right now each £100 of UK shares you buy are paying out annual dividends of around £4, compared to £2 when the market is at peaks. Now obviously, this is not to say the market won't go down, and it certainly isn't financial advice to anyone on these boards - do your own research. But it certainly doesn't to me feel like teetering on the edge of the abyss, even if a few companies cut back their dividends. My strategy is to live off the dividends in FIRE. Right now I have 22% in UK Equities (approx 1/3 FTSE100, 1/3 FTSE250, 1/3 HYP). If you're looking for a 'decent' divi yield the ASX200 is at circa 4.4% which is above the long run trendline of circa 4.2% (my dataset goes back to 1983). Of course from here either market could go up or down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TonyJ said: Does anyone know if there is any such thing as an interest paying cash ETF or something similar, that I could park some money in temporarily to get a small return without risking the capital? I have a lump sum in an HL Fund and Share account (company account). I was going to buy a particular share a few days ago, but by the time HL had processed the (same day) Faster Payment 48 hrs (arrgh!) after I had made it, the price had moved against me. I suspect the share will fall again if the MPC puts up interest rates at its meeting on 10th May, so I could just leave it as cash with HL for a few weeks with no return, but if a very low risk alternative with some small return exists, it may be worth consideration. Trouble is there will be a spread so if you are repurchasing stock within six months probably not worth it. I hadn't realised that HL sold index linked Treasury Stock. That's something I would consider in the run up to a general election if Labour were showing promise. Spread on 2024 is a half a penny on circa £3.50 approx. so fairly small. Yield is tiny ( because it trades on a premium with low interest rates) and it can fall. In recent years early spring has been the nadir of the Market and May/ June has been the peak. ( Christmas aside) Think Market might like a 0.25% rise tbh, especially Domestics and Banks. ( reigning back on rate rise guidance causes Market falls) Edited April 1, 2018 by crashmonitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardratso Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 up to its tricks agin, the low volume pos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul77 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 23500 seems to be a strong support level for now, if broken and closed below bulls are in troubles! btw. Tesla is getting hammered! -9% for a few moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiltedjen Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 down 2.52% doesn't look great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, jiltedjen said: down 2.52% doesn't look great Ftse down just 0.5% on ig spread betting. A bit surprised, we usually jump when US tells us to. Time yet I suppose for when the real market opens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul77 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, crashmonitor said: Ftse down just 0.5% on ig spread betting. A bit surprised, we usually jump when US tells us to. Time yet I suppose for when the real market opens. I've seen it lagging on days when there was no trading in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul77 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, TonyJ said: -3.04% now -3.13% 2018 Feb lows taken..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wish I could afford one Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, Paul77 said: -3.13% 2018 Feb lows taken..! This is all good news. I have £20k sitting on the sidelines ready for the new ISA year on 06 April 18. Might be able to get myself some VERX or VEUR with a bit more divi yield than originally expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiltedjen Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Come on dirt cheap houses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, crashmonitor said: Ftse down just 0.5% on ig spread betting. A bit surprised, we usually jump when US tells us to. Time yet I suppose for when the real market opens. China is imposing tariffs on the US. That's much worse for them than it is for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Amazon down 6%. They will suffer more than most in a trade war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul77 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Some heavy buying at the end... swing failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paul77 said: Some heavy buying at the end... swing failure? "As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly" Â Edited April 2, 2018 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathschoc Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Paul77 said: Some heavy buying at the end... swing failure? That would be the FED, propping up the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Skepticus Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) oooofff....the everything bubble is collapsing....much more quickly now...happy days Edited April 2, 2018 by Maximus Skepticus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.