Riedquat Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 15 hours ago, Switch625 said: Actually I have better things to do than to listen for over an hour to a man I have seen speak on numerous occasions and on almost all occasions I have been impressed by the oratory and despair at the content. My opinion has been formed over a prolonged period of exposure to his insatiable media searching. Perhaps you are more mesmerised by the delivery than the hateful and frankly deceitful content? Sounds like at least part of what you need to be a leader. Someone who is a real leader is someone who gets people to follow them. Whether that's into disaster or success is really beside the point, so oratory matters far more than content when it's what impresses a lot of people. Results only have a secondary effect (keep blundering and it gets harder to persuade people to follow you). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John51 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 A lot of people are mad as hell and sick of the status quo. They've voted for whoever is closest to being a real life Howard Beale. (Network 1976). Corbyn in the UK, Trump in the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Still Dews Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 2:19 PM, Dorkins said: Depends whether you define leadership as flapping your gums or making and implementing decisions that will make life better for the people you have power over. Definitely the latter - but unfortunately gum flappers do well at the polls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knock out johnny Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 11:34 PM, Fletcher said: And bear in mind the odious EEC changed the Community Law on access to (territoriality/sovereignty of) other Members' fishing waters in the hours before the UK, Ireland, Denmark and Norway acceded to the EEC in 1972. Link please Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Still Dews Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 7:21 PM, chronyx said: People vote on the issues most important to them - eg. for Evangelicals that is often abortion. Or they vote tribally according to deep rooted party allegiance. On 12/12/2017 at 8:21 PM, Switch625 said: Just because some women vote for him doesn't change his nature. Not that I usually rely upon wikipedia for answers but the list of allegations is impressive, you may want to have a look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations He seems to only view women in terms of their sexual attractiveness to him, and in no other way. Even his own daughter. He has said many things about Ivanka that boil down to 'my daughter is so sexy'. It may not be misogyny exactly but it suggests an inability to see women as full people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oracle Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 3:54 PM, Errol said: And apart from anything else, she isn't a leader. Same goes for Theresa May. Perfectly nice lady I'm sure, and very admirable in certain respects (better than Cameron) but I don't think she is actually a leader. theresa may is too bossy.that's the problem. in fact the whole country,since blair, has been infested with petty sanctimonious do-gooders on the levers of power,this goes for local government too. they are so convinced of their own "rightness" and we know what's good for you,that it is frankly pointless even trying to debate with them. in their own heads they are right and that's that. what was it C S lewis said about "moral busibodies" again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rantnrave Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Did I miss the reason why this thread is in the main forum?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poppie Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, rantnrave said: Did I miss the reason why this thread is in the main forum?? 1. What on earth has Trump got to do with house prices or the UK economy? 2. Trump - a leader ? This is a joke, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Byron Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, poppie said: 2. Trump - a leader ? This is a joke, right? Oh God, another indoctrinated lefty moron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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