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Do any of these major homelessness charities argue for a solution to the housing affordability crisis - what do they advocate? 

Oh dear - more houses needed, apparently, according to Shelter - not getting to the root of the crisis (mortgage lending!) - https://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns_/why_we_campaign/the_housing_crisis

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I might be getting grumpier as i get older but my response to homeless in London is basically fux off and go and live somewhere woth a job and affordable housing.

Moving to one of the worlds most expensive city with no job is a fuxxing nuts idea and should be discouraged - sweepthem up for vagrancy, spray them with water cannins, spike their doorways. Whatever.

Most tramps go to London for the better begging oppurtunity.

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21 minutes ago, spyguy said:

I might be getting grumpier as i get older but my response to homeless in London is basically fux off and go and live somewhere woth a job and affordable housing.

Moving to one of the worlds most expensive city with no job is a fuxxing nuts idea and should be discouraged - sweepthem up for vagrancy, spray them with water cannins, spike their doorways. Whatever.

Most tramps go to London for the better begging oppurtunity.

that's a pretty draconian solution isn't it?..no doubt it would be effective.

was it bedknobs and broomsticks that had the child-catcher?...carted off in a wagion to the pound and euthanised if not claimed within 28 days

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4 minutes ago, oracle said:

that's a pretty draconian solution isn't it?..no doubt it would be effective.

was it bedknobs and broomsticks that had the child-catcher?...carted off in a wagion to the pound and euthanised if not claimed within 28 days

Chittychittybang bang.

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22 minutes ago, Save me from the madness! said:

I didn't realise there was London weighting for homeless!

Nope. More pissed people and tourists.

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I get emails from Shelter about their campaigns. A recent one was that they believe that Local Housing Allowances should be greater for renters and that we should all contact our MPs about it.

I did wonder if 'actually making rents cheaper' might be a better course of action.

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1 hour ago, oracle said:

that's a pretty draconian solution isn't it?..no doubt it would be effective.

was it bedknobs and broomsticks that had the child-catcher?...carted off in a wagion to the pound and euthanised if not claimed within 28 days

No, Comet Pizza.

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These charities that pay their top staff more than the PM (that's all of them) can f right off. I would not give a penny to those greedy pretend socialists.

I agree homeless in London should f off too along with all the spongers who live in zone 1 and 2 on benefits.

Send them all to the Isle of Man!

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1 hour ago, Maynardgravy said:

No, Comet Pizza.

discipline,dear boy!

we are civilised in this neck of the woods,doing them up the tradesman's is not on the menu.extra pepperoni or not.

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5 hours ago, gruffydd said:

Do any of these major homelessness charities argue for a solution to the housing affordability crisis - what do they advocate? 

Oh dear - more houses needed, apparently, according to Shelter - not getting to the root of the crisis (mortgage lending!) - https://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns_/why_we_campaign/the_housing_crisis

More houses wont do any harm, shelter often see the solution as the government giving people more money though.

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Homelessness, in the sense of being forced to sleep on the streets, is not entirely an economic issue.  A lot of it is due to drink, drugs, psychiatric and family problems.

Sure that homeless guy without shoes could get cheaper housing in Glasgow, but he'd still probably be sleeping on the streets, unless he gets help with his PTSD or alcoholism, or whatever.

That said, when it comes to the actual issues of housing, Shelter are so bad I'd say they were complicit in the problem they are supposed to solve.

Particularly when you consider that the crisis started under a Labour government, and the Labour Party is far more susceptible to lobbying by charities. 

Could they have stopped it?  Maybe, yes. A lobbying campaign in 2004, a strong position against the evil of landlording, a twitter campaign against the Krusties of this world, yes that would have changed minds and may have forced action.

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It seems to me that in the time Shelter have been around the housing situation in the UK has got worse.  On that measure alone they have not been terribly successful which is tragic when you think about it.

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2 hours ago, ExiledMatty said:

These charities that pay their top staff more than the PM (that's all of them) can f right off. I would not give a penny to those greedy pretend socialists.

I agree homeless in London should f off too along with all the spongers who live in zone 1 and 2 on benefits.

Send them all to the Isle of Man!

Where I work we have lots of rich Arabs, they give £50 notes to homeless people all the time.. this has led to Romainian (I think) groups setting up on all the corners.. late at night they all hang out outside Sainsbury’s and count their money, don’t think they are homeless.. probably make a better living than I do.. 

we also every Holloween have Irish travelers send their kids literally mugging people.. “trick or treat” sorry no change I say.. “check your pockets, where’s your wallet” unbelievable..

as for charities.. there is no such thing anymore..  100k to 500k salaries.. it’s not for the best interests of the people or the charities.. they are below scum.. just sub human .. especially when the money is donated and many of the people collecting donations do it for nothing.. how can they be such low level life’s.. ceo of unicef $550’000 per year.. 

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51 minutes ago, macca13 said:

as for charities.. there is no such thing anymore..  100k to 500k salaries.. it’s not for the best interests of the people or the charities.. they are below scum.. just sub human .. especially when the money is donated and many of the people collecting donations do it for nothing.. how can they be such low level life’s.. ceo of unicef $550’000 per year.. 

Don't worry. The government is still handing out money to charities, selected by them, on your behalf.

 

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3 hours ago, BuyToLeech said:

Homelessness, in the sense of being forced to sleep on the streets, is not entirely an economic issue.  A lot of it is due to drink, drugs, psychiatric and family problems.

It's not a house price or availability issue at any rate. A bad economic situation might drive some of the borderline into that drink, drugs etc., but I seriously doubt lack of housing is at all responsible for people being on the streets. They'd be on the streets under the same circumstances even if prices were low and there was massive oversupply.

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10 hours ago, Riedquat said:

It's not a house price or availability issue at any rate. A bad economic situation might drive some of the borderline into that drink, drugs etc., but I seriously doubt lack of housing is at all responsible for people being on the streets. They'd be on the streets under the same circumstances even if prices were low and there was massive oversupply.

Maybe for some but the BTL-ing situation has caused a lot of harm imo.

I always hold it in check, because I have no way of proving what the UK would have been like without BTL.

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It would have been better than today, I am certain of it. 

Renting families (who do okay for income) vs fairly standard housing at stupid high prices, and an old landlord who began buying other houses (5 rentals in total now, each worth crazy stupid sums in this market) some 20 years ago... with younger people all priced out and renting from him.  6 houses, and a HPI obsessed nation, HPI++ supporting VI Gov policies, and long-wave HPI to extremes in so many areas.

On 03/04/2016 at 8:32 AM, Dorkins said:

It's psychologically healthy to get knocked back a bit by reality from time to time. Governments have created a huge amount of psychological poor health by transferring the costs of poor economic decisions from those who made the decisions onto others. They've encouraged the people who made the poor decisions to think they're invincible and life is super easy because they're so clever and talented, and they've made the ones bearing the costs (mainly younger renting workers) think that life is impossibly hard and there's no way to make progress no matter what they do.

 

On 05/03/2016 at 5:20 PM, anonguest said:

But, as you say, it is indeed well possible that the 'flood' would exceed our expectations and not leave us completely untouched in some form or another (e.g. rising crime rates, etc). But then again are we not already 'touched', harmed and hard done by this ongoing financial madness? I would argue we, and our like, have already (unfairly!) suffered. So IF suffering should come to those who genuinely deserve it? GOOD! It cannot come too soon.

Using the fear tactic that you espouse (i.e. you too will get swept up in the flood) doesn't hold sway with me anymore.

What are you? Man or Mouse?

It has been said, in many different ways, in respect of personal liberty and freedom that it isn't 'free' - it has to, from time to time, be paid for in toil and blood. The same such applies to ensuring restoration of financial sanity to the world. IF I have to suffer some (more than already) to ensure a better world for my children and their children than I gladly do so. What are you prepared to do?!

These personal stories of people, in this day and age, having to resort to living in vans utterly disgusts me with the 'system' and TPTB. Anyone who is not similarly disgusted simply does not grasp the significance.

If it doesn't you then I put it to you that you have started to lose some crucial essence of your decency and humanity.

Maybe even falling crime rates.... better society.  It's only the HPIers/BTLers - they would squeal for England claiming 'suffering' at just a few percentage point loss in HPI mad-gainz extremes. 

Got to look beyond it for they have different mindsets... as in that lady in Times the other day with a handful of BTLs in London ('don't feel wealthy') or Cherie Blair ('always worried haven't got enough money').   Totally different reality views.

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'I'm sorry if what I've shown you has upset you, Jernau Gurgeh, but I didn't want you to leave here thinking the Empire was just a few venerable game-players, some impressive architecture and a few glorified night-clubs.  What you've seen tonight is also what it's about.  And there's plenty in between that I can't show you; all the frustrations .....because they live in a society where one is not free to do as one chooses.    … a million things every day, things that aren't as melodramatic and gross as what I've shown you, but which are still part of it, still some of the effects.  Once again, Gurgeh, it all boils down to ownership, possession; about taking and having .'

-Player of Games

 

 

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14 hours ago, BuyToLeech said:

Homelessness, in the sense of being forced to sleep on the streets, is not entirely an economic issue.  A lot of it is due to drink, drugs, psychiatric and family problems.

 

Very true I was talking to a homeless guy in the mid 90s who was taking home £150 per week busking, - it all went on drink sadly.

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9 minutes ago, Venger said:

Maybe for some but the BTL-ing situation has caused a lot of harm imo.

I always hold it in check, because I have no way of proving what the UK would have been like without BTL.

 

I have no idea what Hiroshima would have been like in 1950 without the bomb but I think that would have been better off.

Anything that causes housing to be more expensive is not good.

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14 hours ago, ExiledMatty said:

These charities that pay their top staff more than the PM (that's all of them) can f right off. I would not give a penny to those greedy pretend socialists.

I agree homeless in London should f off too along with all the spongers who live in zone 1 and 2 on benefits.

Send them all to the Isle of Man!

I would say zone 1-3 and Middlesborough and half empty pit villages (which could do with more diversity).  I cannot imagine shelter ever suggesting useful like that.

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The Big Issue is a joke.

I've seen sellers (the ones in at least five towns I frequent are all foreign) commute on the train to go to "work".

So they've migrated here to do that? Just shows what a joke the immigration policy is.

 

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20 hours ago, gruffydd said:

Do any of these major homelessness charities argue for a solution to the housing affordability crisis - what do they advocate? 

Oh dear - more houses needed, apparently, according to Shelter - not getting to the root of the crisis (mortgage lending!) - https://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns_/why_we_campaign/the_housing_crisis

I think this is wrong headed.  Tighter credit results in lower prices but doesn't result in the nation being better housed?  We still have the same inadequate old housing stock and the same levels of cramped misery.  If you want to reduce human misery will need more houses, either build more or redistribute.

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13 minutes ago, Wayward said:

I think this is wrong headed.  Tighter credit results in lower prices but doesn't result in the nation being better housed?  We still have the same inadequate old housing stock and the same levels of cramped misery.  If you want to reduce human misery will need more houses, either build more or redistribute.

You need both (more building and tighter restrictions on mortgage lending) as one without the other won't solve high house prices... 

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